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**Jay Coop** · 08-29-2020, 08:40 PM

I have introduced a reform that prohibits indefinite LoA.

Amendment to the Legislator Committee Act Wrote:
Legislator Committee Act
An act to establish a commission to manage legislators

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3. Legislator Checks

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(3) A legislator fails the voting requirement if they are absent for more than half of all votes finished in the previous calendar month, if a minimum of two votes occurred. Legislators who have an approved leave of absence from the Chair shall not be considered absent for votes in the given time frame.

(4) Legislators may request a leave of absence for a definite period of time subject to discretionary approval from the Chair or their deputies. During such time, legislators on a leave of absence are exempt from the voting requirement.

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North Prarie · 08-29-2020, 08:43 PM

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***Tsunamy*** · 08-29-2020, 09:25 PM

(08-29-2020, 08:40 PM)Jay Coop Wrote: I have introduced a reform that prohibits indefinite LoA.

Amendment to the Legislator Committee Act Wrote:
Legislator Committee Act
An act to establish a commission to manage legislators

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3. Legislator Checks

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(3) A legislator fails the voting requirement if they are absent for more than half of all votes finished in the previous calendar month, if a minimum of two votes occurred. Legislators who have an approved leave of absence from the Chair shall not be considered absent for votes in the given time frame.(4) Legislators may request a leave of absence for a definite period of time pending discretionary approval from the Chair or their deputies. During such time, legislators on a leave of absence are exempt from the voting requirement.

(5) The Chair may revoke their approval of a legislator's leave of absence, provided that said legislator is given at least 72 hours advanced notice.

Why? What does an infinite LoA do?

Beside, if the Chair feels like it they don't have to approve the LoA. They already have this power. If an LoA is "approved" it shouldn't be able to be revoked at will. In fact, this proposal is ripe for abuse of power. Want to get rid of someone? "Approve" their leave, then immediately revoke it. If the people is legitimately on vacation, well, too damn bad.

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Purple Hyacinth · 08-29-2020, 11:05 PM

Personally I think it's reasonable to state that LoAs can't be indefinite, since that would just be being a legislator without the voting requirements, but I do agree with Tsunamy that allowing the CoA to revoke LoAs isn't a great idea.

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Qaweritoyu · 08-30-2020, 09:31 AM

Well, personally, I generally do know when I am going and when I am coming back but I don't assume everyone does. What if an emergency comes up and someone doesn't know how long they will be away?

Secondly, I'm not being funny but when I am leaving LoAs, I know according to legislation, I am technically asking for leave but in my head, I'm not asking for leave, I'm telling the Chair, firmly, I will not be around during these times and if the Chair does not approve, I would likely not care in the slightest, go anyway and then rain down all hell on them when I get back and have been removed. I would not be even slightly impressed if my LoA was revoked, considered to do so is for the Chair to basically say, we don't care about your life, we expect you to be here and that is simply not possible 100% of the year, certainly not.

So, all the above taken into account, I am only one person, how many more share my view? Think about it.

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Swifty · 08-30-2020, 09:58 AM

Yunno, I agree with Qaz on this. Yes LoA is technically part of the laws but really, it more of "show" because like, if your LoA is rejected, ur not gonna stop everything you are doing irl just to wait until you get your LoA approved.

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phoenixofthesun14 · 08-30-2020, 10:23 AM

I would be against this. There are certain things (health, whether mental or physical, or difficult life situations etc.) And, an indefinite LoA ends when a nation CTEs or the person who made the request is back.

Honestly, this is something that is best left at the chair's discretion. Obviously can't be given willy-nilly, but definitey not something we should do away with.

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**Griffindor** · 08-30-2020, 10:25 AM

Honestly, I don't think LoA's should be more than a month or two anyway. When you come back from a more than two month LoA, just reapply for legislator status.

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North Prarie · 08-30-2020, 11:23 AM

(08-29-2020, 09:25 PM)Tsunamy Wrote:
(08-29-2020, 08:40 PM)Jay Coop Wrote: I have introduced a reform that prohibits indefinite LoA.

Amendment to the Legislator Committee Act Wrote:
Legislator Committee Act
An act to establish a commission to manage legislators

...

3. Legislator Checks

...

(3) A legislator fails the voting requirement if they are absent for more than half of all votes finished in the previous calendar month, if a minimum of two votes occurred. Legislators who have an approved leave of absence from the Chair shall not be considered absent for votes in the given time frame.(4) Legislators may request a leave of absence for a definite period of time pending discretionary approval from the Chair or their deputies. During such time, legislators on a leave of absence are exempt from the voting requirement.

(5) The Chair may revoke their approval of a legislator's leave of absence, provided that said legislator is given at least 72 hours advanced notice.

Why? What does an infinite LoA do?

Beside, if the Chair feels like it they don't have to approve the LoA. They already have this power. If an LoA is "approved" it shouldn't be able to be revoked at will. In fact, this proposal is ripe for abuse of power. Want to get rid of someone? "Approve" their leave, then immediately revoke it. If the people is legitimately on vacation, well, too damn bad.

Tsu! How dare you accuse the Chair of abusing their powers! We all know that because the current Chair would never do such a thing, we shouldn’t question the Chair’s power. We should have trust in our institutions!
This says a lot more about us then it does about the merits of leaves of absence.
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