Elections Act - Ensuring that Secret ballots use the Forums |
As the law is currently written the Election Commission can just use their own discord account or server for secret ballots. They probably can even make their own election forum and use that, if they wanted to.
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I don't really see a point to this? The intention was to allow flexibility of alternate methods. Also the "unaffiliated" part specifically forbids using personal accounts to collect the private votes. And it also forbids any gameside private voting options, for the relevant elections.
(10-27-2020, 10:26 AM)Farengeto Wrote: I don't really see a point to this? The intention was to allow flexibility of alternate methods. Also the "unaffiliated" part specifically forbids using personal accounts to collect the private votes. And it also forbids any gameside private voting options, for the relevant elections. But, they could create their own discord server or something. They could use a platform which they control.
No. More likely, a new channel is created on the existing Discord server for voting purposes.
(10-27-2020, 02:16 PM)Domais Wrote:(10-27-2020, 01:59 PM)Jay Coop Wrote: No. More likely, a new channel is created on the existing Discord server for voting purposes. Even if we did explore an alternate method... what's the problem? It can't be under something they personally own. It has to preserve all of the ballots. The votes have to be accessible for audit. Where's the issue? (10-27-2020, 04:12 PM)Farengeto Wrote:(10-27-2020, 02:16 PM)Domais Wrote:(10-27-2020, 01:59 PM)Jay Coop Wrote: No. More likely, a new channel is created on the existing Discord server for voting purposes. If they can use a server that they own, how can one trust any audit that happens? They could just delete ballots. I know on Discord there is an Audit Log but they could claim that the Auditors don't need to see the Log, just the voting channel. How is this not a problem? They don't even have to use a platform where you can 100% trust the Audit Log. But it can be something they own, "unaffiliated" is vague and could be reasonably interpreted to mean not owned by any candidate. (10-27-2020, 04:32 PM)Domais Wrote:(10-27-2020, 04:12 PM)Farengeto Wrote:(10-27-2020, 02:16 PM)Domais Wrote:(10-27-2020, 01:59 PM)Jay Coop Wrote: No. More likely, a new channel is created on the existing Discord server for voting purposes. If they're not doing those things, then they're already violating multiple parts of the clause. (10-27-2020, 05:26 PM)Farengeto Wrote: If they're not doing those things, then they're already violating multiple parts of the clause. Election Commission says we are going to do private voting on some website we created. Person A says "You can't do that", Election Commission replies with, "it says 'server' and a website uses a web server". Person A responds with "But it says unaffiliated", Election Commission claims "Well our website is not affiliated with any candidate". Person A says "well it has to be audible" and the Election Commission says "well we are keeping a voting log". Election Commission quietly deletes a vote and removes it from the log to stop a person winning and making the resulting election a tie. Or they add a vote to change the result or change a vote. Yes, they have broken the law but there is no way to prove that they deleted a vote. Am I reading it wrong? They could do that and get away with it.
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