(02-07-2017, 02:53 AM)Seraph Wrote:

(02-07-2017, 02:35 AM)Ausstan Wrote:

(02-06-2017, 01:50 PM)GI-Land Wrote:

(02-06-2017, 04:10 AM)Ausstan Wrote:

(02-04-2017, 02:44 AM)Zak6858 Wrote: Well shouldn't the same thing apply for Australian Aboriginals or Native Americans? They still complain about everything (sorry if everyone thinks I've suddenly gone racist, if you read my posts, I haven't)

That's what I have been actively saying all of my life. They were treated horribly, we get it. The English were opressed back in 1066, do you see them demanding anything from france? The past is history. Don't forget it, learn from it, but don't hate an entire people because of it.

But isn't this with the Aboriginals not so far away and aren't there still issues with racism?
I know not much about Australia, but I think, I remember some documentary, where this was shown.
If that would apply, I could understand, why they still complain.
Nevertheless, I didn't want to insult anyone and I would also agree with Ausstan, that one should learn and remember of the bad things, the ancestors have done.

Yes they are treated poorly. I understand that, I live here. (Not trying to say you are clueless or anything, but, hey, I live here, I read this stuff in the news everyday.) But, there are no police shootings like in america with the african-americans. The ones living in the city receive the exact same oppurtunities as the "whites". Those living in the country often have poorer living conditions, but 1. They choose to live out there, 2. They live in the god damn desert. No matter what colour you are, if you live in the middle of a desert continent, you won't get all of the perks of city life.

Does this sound ignorant to you? Well, I'm sorry, but I have this argument with almost everyone I know and it gets annoying when people of any colour tries to scum off hard-working people's taxes. I don't think I'm better because I live in the city, or because I'm white. I don't think I'm better at all. But they make a conscious choice to live out in the desert unemployed. If all of the money they get is from centrelink (government handouts), well, too bad. If I chose to live in the desert unemployed, people wouldn't care if I had no money.

As you can tell, I have fairly strong views on this topic.

What your response fails to take into account is unconscious or societal biases. For example, women in the UK have the same legal rights as men, for the most part, but this does not mean that they are treated equally. Society, consciously or unconsciously, still had a bias towards men and until people are able to understand and counteract them in themselves and the institutions they act within, it will remain the case. The same is true for minorities world-wide and I'd be very surprised if it wasn't also the case in Australia.

Until you've lived in someone else's shoes you cannot assume that their complaints are not legitimate.

I understand what you are saying, but that isn't, unfortuantely, possible. I am white and I will stay white for the rest of my life. This isn't due to racism. It is because I have been born this way.

The aboriginal population can be discriminated against, and I do believe they are, which I think is awful, but I truly believe that they are not to the extent they claim. They are provided with the same oppurtunities as us. Even more sometimes.

If you look at uni courses, a course which would require anyone else to achieve an ATAR (uni entrance score, out of 99.95) of 99.00, an aboriginal person would only require 80. And yet, still, most don't work.

Many aboriginal people who work hard have become successful people. Some of the best Australian sportspeople have been aboriginal. Some popular singers or actors are aboriginal. I'm not saying this is a benchmark everyone should be expected to achieve, but if some can achieve this, why can't everyone? This goes for all races, so I understand if I sound racist, but it is them who are consistently "whining".

P.S. Many believe that Australia's national day, Australia Day, Jan 26th, should be renamed to Invasion day. This day was the day Australia was "colonised by the "First Fleet". The first governor of Australia got on extremely well with the native population, and aside from a few isolated incidences, they were treated fairly well compared to most other native populations such as American Indian (almost immediately slaughtered). The only case of institutionalised racism in Australia was the stolen generation, but many of the children taken were being discriminated against by both sides.

P.S.S. Some believe that Australia Day should be moved to May 8 so when you say it out loud, it sounds like Mate. As in G'day mate. Though this would be absolutely hilarious, I am a strong patriot, and would be absolutely against it. Australia is a serious country, not the Hall of Spam.