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(12-08-2014, 11:49 PM)Aramanchovia Wrote: I don't want this to be a R/D debate, happy for the SPSF to do either, as long as it doesn't hurt our reputation as a region. I think the lack of response to the residents of the raided region here may be doing so. That's my only real concern with the whole thing. I see your concern, and it is duly noted. We'll be sure to address the natives next time and let them know how long the SPSF's involvement will last. Thank you for your feed back Aram.
DMoRA of the CIA
MoA Officer in the SPSF
(12-09-2014, 12:17 AM)Sandaoguo Wrote: When we raid a region, the players there don't know the nuances of TSP's foreign policy. They just know that we raided for some reason. So? (12-09-2014, 12:17 AM)Sandaoguo Wrote: It's not enough, for me, to say that we "strengthened our alliance." We could have done it through other means, like a Warzone, or, yes Kris, defending. Or raiding, which is what we did. Why are the opinions of some natives more important than working with our treaty allies? (12-09-2014, 12:17 AM)Sandaoguo Wrote: Instead of just shutting down conversations, accusing people of trying to force TSP to become defender, and saying we don't care one bit about anybody else. Except Unibot does want us to be defender. That is not an attempt to shut down the discussion, it is a statement of fact. (12-09-2014, 12:17 AM)Sandaoguo Wrote: We're a feeder region. Our job is to make this game enjoyable for everybody. No, our job is to make the game enjoyable to our residents. We have no obligation to make the game enjoyable to the residents of some random region. ---- Since it will be pretty obvious, I might as well say that I simply don't care about seeing us raid regions, or have the natives bothered by that. Tell me that we are griefing a region and I'll be against it, but other than that I simply don't care. Others do think we should explain ourselves to the natives of regions we raid, and that is a perfectly valid opinion, which I respect, but don't share. I don't think we need to explain ourselves to the regions we raid, because our objective isn't to be the good guys of NationStates, it is to work with our allies and bring activity to our military. As long as those two objectives are met, we can raid and defend as often as possible and I wouldn't mind either of them. Former Delegate of the South Pacific
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C'mon guys, quit the R/D discussion. It is final that the SPSF will not go to one type of R/D gameplay, which is going to cause controversy, still it's pointless to argue the values of it as our opinion of this will not change. And most of us, if not all of us agree that mistakes were made here. I, as MoA, accept the responsibility of these actions. The op that we're apart of or spearheading we will be sure to be in constant contact with the natives, and be sure to keep them updated.
DMoRA of the CIA
MoA Officer in the SPSF
Crimson, I don't think you should be apologising for anything. Our Special Forces did nothing wrong, and no mistakes were made. Instead of being criticised, the SPSF should be commended for working with our allies, and specially revamping our ties with the North.
Former Delegate of the South Pacific
Posts outside High Court venues should be taken as those of any other legislator. I do not participate in the regional server, but I am happy to talk through instant messaging or on the forum. Legal Resources: THE MATT-DUCK Law Archive | Mavenu Diplomatic Archive | Rules of the High Court | Case Submission System | Online Rulings Consultation System
As much as I'd love to do the whole tit-for-tat thing with you, Kris, I sense that you don't really care to have a good faith debate.
Now how about we all discuss the suggestions I've made?
I don't really buy the moralistic argument against raiding. These nations will soon be back to their lives, and, if anything, we provoked activity in their region. The SPSF should continue to engage in a broad array of missions as they suit our interests. In this case, working with our allies, flexing our military muscles, and getting a little publicity for the region was in our interests.
What publicity did we get? Have we gained any new recruits from this?
Haven't seen anything in gameplay, and posts in TNP and Euro aren't really publicity, not any more than our post was.
If the SPSF follows a code of conduct similar to the NPAF's, and the mission leader sends out a telegram like I described in my first post, we could make these educational and recruiting opportunities. But we don't get any publicity or recruitment benefit just inherently by raiding. We do not do the whole evil raider persona thing.
I think a code of conduct is a great idea.
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