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The SPSF has been doing missions - both defending and raiding - since its creation (back to 2011/12-ish). Every time a defense mission was posted about, all was quiet. Every raiding mission that's posted about, people come out of the woodwork carrying on about how terrible we are for it. I'm with Kris of this one. As long as we aren't griefing regions, or ejecting the masses, and we return the region to the natives, it's all good in my book.
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Admin/delegate note: I just moved this discussion to the "Private Halls" since I'm pretty sure we don't need to be splashing our internal dialogue on war for the entire NS world to see.
Otherwise, please carry on.
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It seems a consensus is emerging in favor of an SPSF code of conduct of some kind. Reading our current law, perhaps a course of action suggests itself?
Quote: 7. The Minister of the Army and General Corps will be responsible for creating further regulations for the SPSF and presenting them to the Assembly for passage in accordance with normal Assembly policy. I would like to invite the Minister and General Corps to consider writing up a code of conduct they feel would appropriately reflect the SPSF's approach to offensive missions of choice, so as to lay down the rules that natives of such regions can be advised to expect us to follow.
A Code of Conduct you say?
I think this thread is a solution looking for a problem. Tell me the SPSF has griefed a region and I'll be the first to say we have gone too far, and would be willing to establish further regulations regarding the conduct of our military while on offensive missions. Otherwise, I don't see the need to regulate how we conduct raids and defences, or why should defending be our default, and raiding shouldn't be an option. True, we aren't trying to be the bad boys of NationStates, but we aren't trying to be the good guys either. Unless I missed the memo and TSP is now a defender region, having our military do raids is a perfectly valid way of advancing our foreign policy, namely cooperation with our allies. Which could have been done through a liberation as well! Yes, but conducting a raid was the option we chose. Why should that be any less of a valid option for our military? If TNP tells us they are planning a raid and want to invite us (which is what happened), why should we refuse? Current Cabinet policy is to strengthen our relationship with TNP. This raid helped get us closer to that objective. If Lazarus or TRR come to us and want to invite us to a liberation, I'm sure (this is me personally, the decision lies with the MoA) we would accept as well, because the idea is to strengthen alliances, not to be the good guys or bad guys. I thought we had already decided that we didn't want to pick an alignment, and that having the option to both raid and defend gave us greater flexibility. Where did that end up? I keep writing in Spanish, and then have to correct it to English. This is frustrating... -_- Former Delegate of the South Pacific
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(12-09-2014, 12:54 AM)Sandaoguo Wrote: We do not do the whole evil raider persona thing. I'm curious how participating in a single raid makes us look like "Evil Raiders". I don't think that. Has anyone made any public statements in Gameplay or otherwise to suggest that TSP/SPSF are now considered "Evil Raiders"? I ask because I honestly don't know. Our lack of label works both ways. We can defend without being considered Defenders, and we can Raid without being considered Raiders. Our military is a multifaceted, special force. We do what we want, we accept military invitations from our allies for anywhere on the spectrum. It is kinda beautiful, and works in our favor for all military behavior.
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I think a code of conduct is a good idea. Both TNP and Euro have them. It can be SPSF policy; it doesn't need to involve the Assembly. It would simply state things like the RMB will not be spammed, WFE will be restored, no ejecting natives, etc.
I feel so old (in TSP terms) by saying this, but...
I think that's overlegislation. Unless it becomes a persistent problem that needs a legal remedy, I don't see why we need to overregulate the SPSF like this. It has been operating just fine until now. Why can't we let it be? Former Delegate of the South Pacific
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(12-09-2014, 12:00 AM)Sandaoguo Wrote: The SPSF should send a TG or write on the RMB (preferably a TG, though, so that we don't deface their RMB with messages they might not want) explaining that we didn't do anything out of malice, explain what the R/D game is and how they could get involve, and let them know when we plan on leaving and that we'll restore the WFE to its original state before doing so. This is pretty much where I was going, yes. Might even get us a few extra members, which we can always do with.
(12-09-2014, 03:10 AM)Aramanchovia Wrote:(12-09-2014, 12:00 AM)Sandaoguo Wrote: The SPSF should send a TG or write on the RMB (preferably a TG, though, so that we don't deface their RMB with messages they might not want) explaining that we didn't do anything out of malice, explain what the R/D game is and how they could get involve, and let them know when we plan on leaving and that we'll restore the WFE to its original state before doing so. I'm with them 
(12-09-2014, 03:15 AM)TAC Wrote:(12-09-2014, 03:10 AM)Aramanchovia Wrote:(12-09-2014, 12:00 AM)Sandaoguo Wrote: The SPSF should send a TG or write on the RMB (preferably a TG, though, so that we don't deface their RMB with messages they might not want) explaining that we didn't do anything out of malice, explain what the R/D game is and how they could get involve, and let them know when we plan on leaving and that we'll restore the WFE to its original state before doing so. Is it common practice for Militaries to send TGs to people, explaining their behavior?
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