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Clarification, please.
#11

Glen, your in the cabinet. Of course you heard. Show me ONE place where a normal masked citizen can see it? I understand it came quick and all that. Decisions where made behind closed doors. From the election act, Elections have to happen withing 72 hours unless the resignation happens within a month of elections? How do we know he didn't resign a month ago and the Cabinet just decided to "wait"?
I'm not saying anything happened or some plot exists. We're supposed to be above board. Just saying.
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#12

I am not sure what you expect the Cabinet to say, QuietDad. Lord Ravenclaw had Senior Cabinet masking until I was made aware that he had moved his nation out of the region. That is the truth.

You want to believe that there was a Cabinet conspiracy? Fine, do so. It is plain obvious that you would not believe counterarguments anyways.

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Furthermore, the Cabinet never announces when a Minister resigns, that is usually done by the Minister himself/herself. What the Cabinet does is announce the appointment of a replacement, in case one is needed. If you want to pick a fight with the Cabinet, this is the wrong one.
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#13

Not trying to pick a fight. Just saying imagine my surprse when all of a sudden there is announcement of a new cabinet member to replace someone who had left the region 3 days earlier. No explanations, no nothing. Not saying YOU are conspiring anything. Not saying YOU are doing anything. What I'm saying is THE CABINET knew for at least three days and no one said anything. As MoRA, citizenship isn't your official department anyway, so why should there be an issue with you?
Just saying we got rid of a regime that dictated how we, as citizens will play the game and replaced it with what was supposed to be a more open one. History is on the edge of repeating it self and it's not just about YOU.
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#14

(03-14-2015, 09:30 PM)QuietDad Wrote: to replace someone who had left the region 3 days earlier. No explanations, no nothing.

I would love to have an explanation as well, because nobody in the Cabinet even knew that Ravenclaw had resigned until someone else pointed that out. He simply moved out of the region: no prior communication, no heads up, nothing. He did not resign as much as he abandoned the position to its own luck.

(03-14-2015, 09:30 PM)QuietDad Wrote: THE CABINET knew for at least three days and no one said anything.

Our focus rightly was on deciding who should be the next Minister. Our official statement came in due time and explained exactly why there was a vacancy and what steps were taken to fix that situation.

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Regardless, there is now a new Minister. The Cabinet is ready to support him and ensure that we can successfully negotiate and pass a final version of the treaty with Spiritus, before the term is out. I think that is what matters the most at this point.
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#15

You know, it's really Raven you should be saying all that to. He's the one who just left in the middle of the night without letting the region know he was resigning.
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#16

Quote:How do we know he didn't resign a month ago and the Cabinet just decided to "wait"?

It was a shock to me and I actually found out about it in a conversation with Salax, the same day as he resigned. Kringalia also was surprised when I brought it to the attention of cabinet. I did take a bit to decide on a replacement, but finding a replacement was important because we're in the middle of negotiations with Spiritus and The Pacific. 
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#17

(03-15-2015, 01:13 PM)Sandaoguo Wrote: You know, it's really Raven you should be saying all that to. He's the one who just left in the middle of the night without letting the region know he was resigning.

There's a good idea. Go complain to Raven instead of creating a conspiracy that The Cabinet had some master plan Tounge

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#18

Conspiracy? No conspiracy occurred.

What did happen, however, was the Cabinet was aware of Raven's leaving, had a vote for a replacement, and completed that vote well before informing the region that Raven had left.

Those are facts, not conjecture.
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#19

(03-15-2015, 01:52 PM)Wolf Wrote: Conspiracy? No conspiracy occurred.

What did happen, however, was the Cabinet was aware of Raven's leaving, had a vote for a replacement, and completed that vote well before informing the region that Raven had left.

Those are facts, not conjecture.

Let me make some small amends:

1. The Cabinet was aware of Ravenclaw having left after it happened.
2. We did have a vote for a replacement.
3. We did complete the vote before informing the region Ravenclaw had left, because his leaving was publicly noticeable and accounting for that was eventually included in the official statement on his replacement.

Like you can see, nothing irregular or reprehensible was done. I'm glad we can agree on that.
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#20

(03-15-2015, 02:01 PM)Kris Kringle Wrote: 3. We did complete the vote before informing the region Ravenclaw had left, because his leaving was publicly noticeable and accounting for that was eventually included in the official statement on his replacement.

Like you can see, nothing irregular or reprehensible was done. I'm glad we can agree on that.

Oh, we can agree on the first two points, for sure. The third point? Not so much.

If his leaving was so publicly noticeable then how come people are pissed that they were never informed because no one, outside the Cabinet, seemingly noticed?

We are in agreement that the Cabinet waited to make the announcement until after they had already selected a replacement, however.
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