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It's also ironic how no one critiqued the security threat proposal when Belschaft drafted it and proposed it and got it passed with the express purpose of getting rid of Unibot and GR. I mean I even posted IRC logs of his expressly stating that he created it for that purpose and mostly everyone looked the other way.
Nope, nope, nope. Escade ~ Positions Held in TSP ~ Delegate | Vice Delegate Minister of Regional Affairs, | Minister of Foreign Affairs | Minister of Military Affairs ~ The Sparkly One ~ My Pinterest
I can't speak for everyone but stop acting like I wouldn't be outraged if it happened to Unibot and GR. I've put my ass on the line to keep Unibot here and I have frequently expressed the fact that GR is a good addition to TSP. This is despite the fact I disagree with both of them frequently.
You were right, it is a bad law. I thought the intent was to be able to stop an endo swapped and never thought it would be used in the way Bels wanted to use it and the way it was used on him. Both are sad for different reasons.
The 16th Delegate of The South Pacific
Yet, when there was proof brought to the public through posted IRC logs that Belschaft intended the law for solely to remove GR and Unibot, the law passed through without trouble. I tried to fight it from being passed and then tried to get it repealed. It's all on the old forum, you can go through your support of it then as well. Posterity's quite lovely. There was no outrage at Belschaft then, nothing at all for trying to rid the region of people. So yeah, this outrage can go find a well.
So everyone now crying about that law, I have no sympathy or empathy because I tried my hardest to get that law off the books. You supported it then, now that it's not used the way you want it, boo hoo fake tears? I went to the CSS to ask for help with Belschaft and the response was, "I see nothing wrong with what's he's doing, he's just a dick that's normal for him." I have a perfect memory for people's two-faced BS. Now though I'm happy with the result. An extremely toxic, despicable individual who made life difficult for others and engaged in disgusting behavior is removed from the region. Karma has a sense of humor. Kris, I probably need more "peaceful times" as right now my memoir would be a mixture of sweet and salty and I think there should be a little more honey in memoirs 
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I enjoyed reading this, HEM.
Escade, you are talking about Article 9. Belschaft was removed under the Security Threat Clause. Both are different.
Escade Wrote:An extremely toxic, despicable individual If we can keep it more civil, please. Former Delegate of the South Pacific
Posts outside High Court venues should be taken as those of any other legislator. I do not participate in the regional server, but I am happy to talk through instant messaging or on the forum. Legal Resources: THE MATT-DUCK Law Archive | Mavenu Diplomatic Archive | Rules of the High Court | Case Submission System | Online Rulings Consultation System
Belschaft also stated that the security threat clause which he was also pushing was another way to get rid of Unibot and GR.
Kris, I think that is the most civil I really could be about that individual. Escade ~ Positions Held in TSP ~ Delegate | Vice Delegate Minister of Regional Affairs, | Minister of Foreign Affairs | Minister of Military Affairs ~ The Sparkly One ~ My Pinterest
As I was telling HEM yesterday, I don't think its especially productive to keep rehashing the whole Bel situation. We can discuss where we want to go from here, but I don't think it's especially useful to continue to point fingers.
Moreover, the actions taken against Bel was more about actions after the OBT than the "operation" itself. No one had ever been prosecuted for OBT, even if Bel and GE allowed themselves to be recalled.
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(05-27-2015, 02:09 PM)Tsunamy Wrote: As I was telling HEM yesterday, I don't think its especially productive to keep rehashing the whole Bel situation. We can discuss where we want to go from here, but I don't think it's especially useful to continue to point fingers.It's not helpful if you believe it's OK that citizenship can be stripped without trial, it's very important to talk about if you believe that's not ok. I personally think that it's very important to talk about. And I'm willing and able to do it civilly, but just when this topic is brought up, look at all the things you get accused of. I'm apparently a Bels loyalist, old guard member of the region who holds new people back and wants unibot and GR out of the region.
The 16th Delegate of The South Pacific
Yes, because out court system is unreliable and has been for a while. I mean Belschaft did write the laws, the procedures, etc. He's brayed and brayed that he cannot be found guilty of anything related to OBT because of the way he worded the laws and loopholed them.
He then had his stooge post a fake case without evidence, then refused to provide his citizen nation for a real case to be brought forth. Now that his citizen nation is out in the open, what's stopping people from pursuing a case? What do you think SB the outcome of this trial should be or what are you pushing for against all people who commit treason? I mean you were clear with Milograd, your stance on coupers was clear. Here though, it seems you are more worried about the person then their treasonous actions. People really want to persecute Belschaft in the courts? Why aren't they running a case? What's to stop you? Of course his stooge submitted a case, at this request, without any evidence as a symbolic gesture of disrespect to the courts, to people who care about justice and upholding laws and preventing the region from become toxic. Yes, SB - the people who you count as friends and who's actions you condone by excusing or not discussing - well that's what happens - you get associated with them. So what is the punishment for treason? Apparently you're going to ignore his threatening and blackmailing delegates and spending two years trying to plot to rid the region of two people with the most underhanded means possible, but maybe at least you can discuss the treason. Escade ~ Positions Held in TSP ~ Delegate | Vice Delegate Minister of Regional Affairs, | Minister of Foreign Affairs | Minister of Military Affairs ~ The Sparkly One ~ My Pinterest
If we tried to put Tsu up on trial for this, public opinion would be overwhelmingly against his conviction. His removal from office would throw TSP into chaos.
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