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(11-10-2016, 03:28 AM)Qvait Wrote: See, if Bernie Sanders won the Democratic nomination, Donald Trump would not be President. You see the anti-Trump protests going on around the country? I've been watching CNN, and these protesters have grievances against Trump for not winning the national popular vote and against Clinton and the Democratic Party for their complacency. It's the second time in this century and modern times that the winner did not win the vote. If Bernie Sander won, Trump would have won with an even bigger margin. The Democratic party sadly has to move closer to the centre ground. Since Obama took office in 09, the Democrats have been destroyed at a state level. They have now lost everything at a federal level as well. Bill Clinton was largely regarded as a centrists and he was able to win states in the south as well as southern counties in states like Ohio. Obama caused the rise of the tea party with being too far on the left for America to handle. Moving further to the left won't help Dems win back states, Senate seats, House seats and finally the Presidency. I really wish that the Dems could be a proper left-wing party but it can't even at the best of times, and especially at times like these. Europeian Ambassador to The South Pacific
Former Local Council Member Former Minister of Regional Affairs Former High Court Justice (11-09-2016, 08:20 PM)griffindor13 Wrote: Guys, give him a chance. The founders gave us a way to remove him if it comes to that. I think he will do good. When this forum gets archived in a few weeks(?), we can revisit this after he has had time to make some policy. No I won't give him a chance. Donald Trump is a racist, sexist, narcissistic, arrogant nut-job who denies the science of climate change calling it a Chinese hoax, his only real idea is to "build a wall" and his economic plan is to cut taxes hugely and end trade deals that support thousands of jobs in the US and he has no plan as to how to deal with the shortcomings that will exist after them. That is not even the tip of the iceberg. Europeian Ambassador to The South Pacific
Former Local Council Member Former Minister of Regional Affairs Former High Court Justice (11-10-2016, 12:34 PM)Punchwood Wrote:(11-10-2016, 03:28 AM)Qvait Wrote: See, if Bernie Sanders won the Democratic nomination, Donald Trump would not be President. You see the anti-Trump protests going on around the country? I've been watching CNN, and these protesters have grievances against Trump for not winning the national popular vote and against Clinton and the Democratic Party for their complacency. It's the second time in this century and modern times that the winner did not win the vote. Look at the electorate that Trump won. He won the working-class, the same electorate that Bernie appealed to. In these times, people are looking for change. In '08, Obama campaigned as the "change" candidate, and that gave him the victory. If you look at 2000 and now 2016, Gore and Clinton campaigned as a continuation of Bill Clinton and Obama, respectively. The people want authenticity and Clinton was not. "The center". For far too long, people have been thinking that the independents are toward the center, which I disagree with. The independents are everywhere on the political spectrum and Bernie Sanders got those people to vote in the Democratic primaries. In times like this, the people are either right-wing or left. It now only matters on how many people turn out to vote.
(11-10-2016, 02:11 PM)Qvait Wrote:(11-10-2016, 12:34 PM)Punchwood Wrote: If Bernie Sander won, Trump would have won with an even bigger margin. Once again, I agree with you. From what I can see, lots of people are angry with the current establishment, and want real change. Sanders promised that change, and was widely supported because of it. The Democratic Party went out of its way to screw him. Hillary, on the other hand, was practically the face of the establishment; she was financed by big corporations and donors (something people on both sides of the spectrum hate), and has frequently flip-flopped on issues. This made her look like just another career politician, changing positions to get votes and focusing on pleasing her donors (and don't get me started on the fucking emails...). Of course all those angry people went for another candidate promising radical change. Promising to get money out of politics. To "fix" the system. They went for Trump, and now we may be close to the goddamn apocalypse because of the Democrats' bad decisions. These videos explain it better.
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I don't think Bernie would have won. Despite the support he carried in the Democratic primaries, the majority of Americans wouldn't be able to get over their fear of the word "socialist". Then again I didn't think we would elect Trump, so I guess anything is possible.
(11-10-2016, 12:40 PM)Punchwood Wrote:(11-09-2016, 08:20 PM)griffindor13 Wrote: Guys, give him a chance. The founders gave us a way to remove him if it comes to that. I think he will do good. When this forum gets archived in a few weeks(?), we can revisit this after he has had time to make some policy. I strongly doubt he will even build the wall. He has no real policy plans.
The wall is too expensive. Will never happen
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Agreed; with the current Republican Party, even if there is the money, the House is never going to approve it.
(11-10-2016, 02:11 PM)Qvait Wrote: Look at the electorate that Trump won. He won the working-class, the same electorate that Bernie appealed to. In these times, people are looking for change. In '08, Obama campaigned as the "change" candidate, and that gave him the victory. If you look at 2000 and now 2016, Gore and Clinton campaigned as a continuation of Bill Clinton and Obama, respectively. The people want authenticity and Clinton was not. "The center". For far too long, people have been thinking that the independents are toward the center, which I disagree with. The independents are everywhere on the political spectrum and Bernie Sanders got those people to vote in the Democratic primaries. In times like this, the people are either right-wing or left. It now only matters on how many people turn out to vote. While that is a nice argument, the facts don’t add up. While Bernie did receive lots of support from while working class males, these people leaned to the left. Why would the average white working class male vote for someone who wants to increase the size of government hugely and at an incredible speed? Polls even found that most Americans would not vote for a socialist and that they would sooner vote for an atheist!!!! 08 doesn’t really count as it was such an easy election to win. Any Democrat could have been called the “change” candidate seeing as there was an extremely unpopular Republican incumbent in the White House. In times like these people don’t want change, people want change when they are very unhappy with the incumbent and Obama has record high approval rating. In times like this people want a dull, boring centrist who gets things done even if they don’t change the country overnight. Someone like Joe Biden could have appealed to Trump’s supporters but Bernie Sanders was never going to be able to do so. You saw the kind of negative attacks on Clinton, imagine what they would have done to a 74, socialist Jew from Vermont. Europeian Ambassador to The South Pacific
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Well the RNC did actually embrace the border wall, even putting it in their platform. The only reason it won't happen is because it's a stupid idea and Trump won't even suggest it to Congress. He used it, like a lot of his statements just to gain media attention, I don't think even Trump ever suspected that he would ever win. I think he was planning to launch a "Trump News Channel" after the election.
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