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***Tsunamy*** · 06-21-2016, 01:59 PM

Hi all,

I wanted to pass this up to the Assembly to discuss; DM has applied for a permanent position on the CRS. His application is below.

Quote:WA Nation: Drugged Monkeys
SPDS: 113,770
Influence Ranking: Handshaker
WA Endorsements: 309

Elections will end on June 14th, at which time I will no longer be the Vice Delegate.
At this time I will no longer be the Chair of the CRS (Formerly CSS), and will be in violation of the endorsement cap set out by the CRS.
I submit this application to the CRS for review and approval.
Detailed above are my current credentials showing that I am eligible to become a member, per the terms set out in the Charter.
I have been a faithful member of The South Pacific for many years, not only serving as a citizen, but as an SPSF Member (formerly NSA/SPA), Minister of Justice, Minister of the Army, CSS Member, and Vice Delegate.
During the last two Coup attempts against The South Pacific, I have been present as an active member on the side of preserving the true Coalition.
I believe the service I have provided to this great region, my past service on the CSS, and my willingness to protect the security of the Coalition show that I am an experienced and trustworthy member of this community.

Given DM's outstanding history and service to the region, I hope this will be an open-and-shut case. He's got my unyielding support in this matter.

-tsunamy
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***sandaoguo*** · 06-21-2016, 02:09 PM

I want to look this over more thoroughly before I give a definitive opinion. But I do just want to say that being over the endorsement cap does not automatically mean you must apply for membership in the CRS. I really don't want to see people trying to maneuver their way into a CRS application vote, by endotarting and purposefully going over the cap, then using that as an argument for why they should be considered for membership. The two things are completely independent of one another.

I definitely don't want to insinuate that DM did this. He was the VD, and is now the PM, so his endo count *should* be high by all rights. It's merely the second sentence -- and my perception that some others may be trying to do this -- that makes me want to squash that argument straight up.

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Drugged Monkeys · 06-21-2016, 02:29 PM

(06-21-2016, 02:09 PM)sandaoguo Wrote: I want to look this over more thoroughly before I give a definitive opinion. But I do just want to say that being over the endorsement cap does not automatically mean you must apply for membership in the CRS. I really don't want to see people trying to maneuver their way into a CRS application vote, by endotarting and purposefully going over the cap, then using that as an argument for why they should be considered for membership. The two things are completely independent of one another.

I definitely don't want to insinuate that DM did this. He was the VD, and is now the PM, so his endo count *should* be high by all rights. It's merely the second sentence -- and my perception that some others may be trying to do this -- that makes me want to squash that argument straight up.

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Thanks Glen.
Just for quick clarification on my application.

This is the first time we have had to "apply" to the CRS, and we do not have a definitive application process besides that it has to go to the CRS first before coming before the assembly. My reasoning for stating I would be over the cap was so that the application could be reviewed in a timely manner and not end up causing an endo cap issue after the election cycle. Again, that section was strictly for the CRS submission of my application.

I agree that being over the cap should not automatically mean you need to apply for CRS Membership, and an active CRS that enforces the endorsement cap should help curb this issue.

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***sandaoguo*** · 06-21-2016, 02:34 PM

I think we need start thinking about the endo cap as merely a flag that the CRS will pay more attention to you. It's not supposed to be, "Get under the cap or you're ejected" anymore. Maybe we should start calling it an endo guideline :p

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Drugged Monkeys · 06-21-2016, 04:08 PM

(06-21-2016, 02:34 PM)sandaoguo Wrote: I think we need start thinking about the endo cap as merely a flag that the CRS will pay more attention to you. It's not supposed to be, "Get under the cap or you're ejected" anymore. Maybe we should start calling it an endo guideline :p

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We have been moving toward that, by accident or deliberately.
And the cap has been raised to 210 now.

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Punchwood · 06-21-2016, 04:27 PM

I really think saying people have to apply for membership was just silly, it should have remained with the Delegate appointing members and the Assembly accepting or denying them. As for DM, we do currently have few members on the CRS and I think DM would be an excellent member in the CRS and therefore has my support.

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***Roavin*** · 06-21-2016, 04:37 PM

The old laws had the Vice Delegate as Chair of the CSS, so in a way, DM has been part of the CRS (through its predecessor organization) for quite a while already. So I suppose this really is just reaffirming the membership Tounge

***Tsunamy*** · 06-22-2016, 10:17 AM

For the record, if there's any slobbiness with DM's application, blame me. This was posted for the CRS as a more informal post and I sent it up to the forum with little editing/cleanup.

To Punch and Roavin's point — DM has been acting as the CSS head since his election as VD. And, we also need some new nations on the CRS, since we're starting to get pretty low.

Regarding the application process overall — I imagine it'll work a bit more like who the delegate selection did. When a CRS member sees someone who qualifies, they'll probably reach out and ask them to apply. There might be other instances, but I imagine that's how something like this will ultimately work.

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***sandaoguo*** · 06-22-2016, 10:34 AM

I support this nomination, for the record. DM helped during the coup, and remained loyal to the legitimate government the whole time. My only hesitance is that I would prefer he not be a member until after his term as Prime Minister is over, because the CRS and the Prime Minister may have overlapping portfolios and I don't know yet how that's going to play out. Which brings me to a tangential point: I think it's counterintuitive that the PM could ever be "over" the endocap. I think the CRS should clarify how tight or lax the cap is, and who it really applies to.

Regarding applications, I don't think it should be a process where the powers that be have to reach out first. The Charter says people can apply after the meet the requirements, and that allows people who wouldn't otherwise be on the radar to show their interest. It really should be about the application, rather than some other criteria that can't be written down.

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***Tsunamy*** · 06-22-2016, 11:21 AM

(06-22-2016, 10:34 AM)sandaoguo Wrote: I support this nomination, for the record. DM helped during the coup, and remained loyal to the legitimate government the whole time. My only hesitance is that I would prefer he not be a member until after his term as Prime Minister is over, because the CRS and the Prime Minister may have overlapping portfolios and I don't know yet how that's going to play out. Which brings me to a tangential point: I think it's counterintuitive that the PM could ever be "over" the endocap. I think the CRS should clarify how tight or lax the cap is, and who it really applies to.

Regarding applications, I don't think it should be a process where the powers that be have to reach out first. The Charter says people can apply after the meet the requirements, and that allows people who wouldn't otherwise be on the radar to show their interest. It really should be about the application, rather than some other criteria that can't be written down.

I'm not saying we change/re-legislate anything, I'm simply acknowledging the reality of how this will play out. Same with how for the CSS we could either self-nominate or be selected by the delegate. Few people are going to apply directly — beyond the fact that it would seem somewhat power hungry — and most people simply aren't going to know they meet the requirements. Those that do are already going to be intricately involved the the government already and would be on someone's radar.

Regarding the PM/CRS situation — we can figure out how this portfolio is going to work. But, in the meantime, I'd like us to approve DM. We can decide that they PM should be a viewer and not participant (much like the delegate is, now), but we need to float some rules at the moment until we get everything in working order.

-tsunamy
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