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I'm posting the below as an action decided upon jointly by the Committee for Regional Security and the Cabinet.
The following information has been brought to our attention and assembled into this dossier to share with all of you. This isn't an ideal situation by any stretch, but when confronting this, we realized that that there is little power attributed to either body to act in regards to regional security. Such a discussion will be started simultaneously, but, hopefully, can be done separately from the current issue at hand. Before getting to the the following information, please note that no charges have been leveled and all involved should be given the chance to defend themselves. As such, I want to personally stress that this is information that has been given to us — and due to legal constraints — we felt the best course of action was to provide it to our trusted region. I hope this will not turn into a witch hunt or persecution, but a legitimate security discussion. -tsu ===== The Council on Regional Security has come across a series of serious logs involving Empire, Osiris, and Belschaft. Given the nature of the logs, we believe it is important for this information to be shared with the community, insofar as it doesn't harm our security. Below is a summary of the logs. The logs in whole are attached to this dossier. Who Is Involved - Neo Kervoskia. Aka Griffin. Founding member of Empire & current Pharaoh of Osiris - Adytus. Member of Empire & current Guardian and Chief Vizier of Osiris. - Belschaft. (Then) Local Councillor of The South Pacific. Log between Adytus and Neo Kervoskia Conversation took place on or before September 21, 2016.
Log between Belschaft and Neo Kervoskia Conservation took place on or before November 25, 2016
The contents of the above logs have been shared with the Cabinet. They are now being shared with the Assembly because legislators have a right to know and so appropriate action can be taken to ensure the long-term security of the region is preserved. While the Committee has little legal recourse to address the current security situation on its own, it is willing to provide context and guidance and to assist the Assembly and the Cabinet in enforcing all measures deemed necessary. Appendix A Log between Adytus and Neo Kervoskia Code: Griffin - Today at 5:44 PMAppendix B Log between Belschaft and Neo Kervoskia Code: Griffin - Today at 11:01 AM
I must note that the log in question comes from Discord private chat between myself and NK and thus the only possible source of it, ultimately, is.... NK. To avoid any question of malfeasance on my part I'll be posting the entire history of my talks with NK, unedited, shortly.
The above is the complete and unedited log of all my conversations with NK in private in the last year - I might be able to find some older ones from back in the IRC days if people want? I've also talked to him on occasion in public settings, which would be harder to track down, but I'm sure I could if people feel it's relevant. Minister of Media, Subversion and Sandwich Making
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Considering there is no context to draw from it, it happened awhile ago and nothing happened, I just see this as a conversation almost anyone can have. We already have a legislator with KNOWN ties to Empire in and Empire, regardless of what anyone says, has never done anything against TSP and the characters are now "trusted" people in two other GCRs, this goes in the "tl;dr" pile.
(03-11-2017, 01:03 PM)Tsunamy Wrote: Belschaft ran for Delegate a month later, and then Minister of Foreign Affairs in the last election, both powerful positions in TSP's government that would be useful for doing the above. The CRS strongly believes that Belschaft's offer to aid Empire is a serious and shocking act, given that Empire is currently TSP's only official declared enemy. Empire is currently a Prohibited Organization, with the CRS and the Assembly believing that it is hostile to TSP. The CRS believes this offer is nothing less than aiding an enemy. I'd like to ask what kind of investigation the CRS actually conducted before coming to this conclusion, which I can only describe as unfounded and defamatory? Considering that I (in my own opinion) have managed to address the allegation easily and immediately by the simple act of provided a copy of the full logs, I find it shocking that the CRS did not find the time to ask me for them, or feel it necessary to give me a chance to address the issue before making a public accusation? This is especially true considering I've had prior conversations with two CRS members about this topic - Kris Tsu - where I clearly informed both of them that I talked privately with NK on occasion. I specifically raised the topic with Tsu to find out whether or not this was a matter of CRS concern, as Kris thought it was an issue and I didn't; Considering the fact that I have been nothing but open about this topic, and that the CRS has failed to make any effort - despite that openness - to approach me about this, I feel that I'm owed an apology here. Minister of Media, Subversion and Sandwich Making
Associate Justice of the High Court and Senior Moderator Quote:January 7, 2017 Idk if this is sarcastic or what...
Deputy Regional Minister of the Planning and Development Agency(March 8-May 19, 2014)
Local Council Member(April 24-August 11) Court Justice of TSP(August 15-December 7)
Sarcastic.
Minister of Media, Subversion and Sandwich Making
Associate Justice of the High Court and Senior Moderator
What does "back channel" mean in NS terms? Or looking specifically at this:
"[8:53 PM] Belschaft: Anything you want me to do in TSP? I'm not actually in the government these days [8:53 PM] Belschaft: So if you want me to act as back channel you've got to let me know" Escade ~ Positions Held in TSP ~ Delegate | Vice Delegate Minister of Regional Affairs, | Minister of Foreign Affairs | Minister of Military Affairs ~ The Sparkly One ~ My Pinterest (03-11-2017, 04:25 PM)Escade Wrote: What does "back channel" mean in NS terms? Or looking specifically at this: A back-channel would be an unofficial and non-formal line of communication. Minister of Media, Subversion and Sandwich Making
Associate Justice of the High Court and Senior Moderator
Here are some facts that should be noted:
1. Belschaft never sought, and was never given, authorization to act as a back channel, or to perform any kind of intel-related activities at all. 2. Belschaft never reported his conversations with NK, despite apparently thinking NK is suspicious enough to warrant asking "leading questions." Even after he became aware that the CRS was looking into it, per both Kris's private discussion with him and his follow up with Tsu. 3. To the extent that Belschaft sent any communications to the CRS, it was a single conversation regarding Balder, sent after he was tipped off that we were looking into all this. And although the specific contents can't be divulged, the communication he shared with the CRS was inconsequential and not security related. The defense here seems to be that Belschaft was a) looking out for TSP's interests by asking NK "leading questions" and b) in regular contact with the CRS, sending us a lot of pertinent information that establishes his good character. The second is greatly exaggerated. And the first is belied by the fact that, despite apparently believing NK's words were suspicious, Belschaft never approached the CRS about any of this. You would think that he would, if he was actually looking out for TSP and concerned about NK's agenda enough to try to manipulate information out of him. Given that, what's more likely? That explanation, or what the logs simply show? That he offered to be Empire's and Osiris's eyes and ears in TSP?
1. Nor did I act as a back channel in anyway, as Osiris/NK never asked me to do so. In other situations where people have tried to use me in such a capacity - Rach/Balder for example - I have talked to the relevant people in TSP. Nor have I engaged in "intel-related" activities beyond providing advice to MoMA's Imki and Roa when asked. NK contacted me, not the other way round - and I am not characterising it as an "intelligence" activity, that is Glen's words.
2. I was not aware that the CRS was looking into my conversations with NK, as the CRS never told me they were - I was the one who raised the matter with both Kris and Tsu, and neither one of them asked me to provide the logs to the CRS. Kris suggested I might want to report the conversations, I said I didn't think there was anything to report/of interest, and sought a second opinion. At no point has the CRS sought information from me on this topic, asked for my cooperation or asked me to provide logs. I would have been more than willing to cooperate with the CRS, had they done so. I am not psychic; if the CRS wants something from me, trying asking me for it. 3. I have provided Tsu and/or the CRS what information I have, when I have it, if I think it's relevant. If the CRS thinks other stuff I have is of interest to them, try asking me about it - again, I am not psychic. I do not know what the CRS wants from me and cannot know without them asking me for it. Glen misrepresents my "defence" in multiple ways. I received an unsolicited contact from NK, and rather than ignoring him responded to see what he wanted from me. It turned out that is was generic and unremarkable, nothing that I felt was relevant or interesting - it was, essentially, just NK being NK. The fact that I did not consider this worthy of reporting has no impact on the fact that when I come across something I do consider worthy of reporting I do so. Nor have I claimed to be in "regular contact" with the CRS, or to be sending it "lots of pertinent information". I am not actively engaged in any intelligence activity, so what I acquire comes from unsolicited contacts - the fact that Milograd was in TSP as a legislator under a new identity and IP address, for example - and if I think it's relevant to the CRS I pass it on. The only part of my conversations with NK which are "of interest" is the first section, where I made the "offer" and he didn't bite. NK didn't say anything to me that was relevant to the CRS or TSP's security - all I would have reporting was myself, in effect. I think it should be obvious why "NK talked to me but he didn't say or reveal anything of note" isn't worthy of a report. If anyone can point to something that NK said or revealed that has any substantive intelligence value then please do so. I must once again point out that the CRS didn't approach me or ask me about any of this; I've been doing my best to cooperate with them and send them stuff I come across that I think they should have, but I haven't received any requests or directions from them for specific things. What I think is relevant and what the CRS thinks is relevant may not be the same thing. I am entirely willing to provide the CRS with any information or cooperation they want from me, but they need to ask. Within minutes of Tsu posting this thread I was C&Ping my logs, as they were obviously interested in them - I have nothing to hide and aren't hiding anything. What I'm trying to get at here, is that if the CRS has a problem with me or something I'm doing/they think I'm doing.... try talking to me? I'm on these forums and Discord pretty much every day, I'm not hard to find. If you had concerns about my conversations with the Delegate of Osiris, ask me about them. Minister of Media, Subversion and Sandwich Making
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Discord Chat with NK
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