Actually he mentioned it prior to it being brought up by Omega. Also fun to follow the thumbs ups and downs.

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The only reason people have an issue with it now, and didn't for most of Omega's tenure, is ... because Glen brought it up. "Out of sight, out of mind", and now the very person that brought it into sight for improvement is now the one being shat upon. I don't think that's fair to Glen.

We haven't had an actual legislator audit in many months. We can wait another 10 days to do it with an easier system.

Laws are laws though. We have to enforce them no matter what they say. Again, I recognize it sounds hypocritical of me to say that but we do need better.
Don't get me wrong, outside of this one thing Glen is doing a terrific job as Chair.

Again: We haven't had an actual legislator audit in many months. We can wait another 10 days to do it with an easier system. Pragmatism isn't always a bad thing. ^_^

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I do have a log of votes. What I don't have is an activity roster, because the roster I designed ended up being wrong and can't wrap my mind around how to cleanly display "voted in the last three non-consecutive votes." That's why I'm proposing moving to a static time period. That's easy to understand and record.

Only 3 votes have occurred since I've been elected, for the record.


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For the record this is the most updated log I have.

To the best of my understanding, the "absent for three non-concurrent votes" standard goes all the way back to Jan 31. We've held 5 votes since then. If somebody voted on Jan 31, but hasn't voted since, is that ok or not? What if you missed of the highlighted votes, but voted in one of the non-highlighted ones? Do we only pay attention to the highlighted votes, since those are the only ones that don't overlap with anything else? How far back does this go? Does missing any 3 non-concurrent votes count? Or only the last 3? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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My only problem with this is that you can have someone who is active in the region for 28 days out of 31 in a month, but if something happens to prevent them from being on here for the other three days, when the only assembly vote that month is held, they will lose their citizenship, regardless of how active and committed to the region they are for the vast majority of the time.

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That happens approximately zero times a month, though. At some point, we need to just say, "No complicated set ups to account for the 1% chance that you're not here."

I don't care if the chair has discretion to say that's fine. It doesn't need to be black and white. That's why we end up with impossibly complicated system to track simple activity in an online game.


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My only problem with this is that you can have someone who is active in the region for 28 days out of 31 in a month, but if something happens to prevent them from being on here for the other three days, when the only assembly vote that month is held, they will lose their citizenship, regardless of how active and committed to the region they are for the vast majority of the time.

A possible fix for that is a sort of "quorum" of votes in order to lose legislator status. Perhaps a minimum of two or three votes otherwise noone will lose it.

I think the threshold here could use some clarification too. If we use a theoretical month with 4 votes, how many must you have voted in to keep your status? Does an even half (2 of 4) work, or do we take "more than half" literally and require 3 of 4?

In the latter case it actually further expands Sam's example, because even in a month of two votes you could not miss either.

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At risk of sounding pedantic, the zero votes in a month case is ambigious and under some interpretations would make all legislators lose status (0 of 0 is not greater than 0/2). The change in the existing draft is an easy adjustment.

4. Continued legislator status requires active membership and good behavior. Within the first week of each calendar month, the Chair will remove legislator status from any person absent for three non-concurrent Assembly votes more than half of all votes finished in the previous calendar month during which a minimum of three votes have taken place; legislators who have an approved leave of absence from the Chair shall not be considered absent. Additionally, the Chair may suspend privileges for disruptive members. Frequent suspensions may be grounds for ineligibility, if found appropriate in a fair trial by the High Court.

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Probably should add "if less than 3 votes occur, one vote will constitute keeping legislator status"...



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That happens approximately zero times a month, though. At some point, we need to just say, "No complicated set ups to account for the 1% chance that you're not here."

I don't care if the chair has discretion to say that's fine. It doesn't need to be black and white. That's why we end up with impossibly complicated system to track simple activity in an online game.


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It's not a 1% thing. You have one vote that month, which needs only last for three days, and if someone is in an accident, gets sick, has something preventing them getting on for three days, regardless of how active they were for the remainder of the month, they could have their citizenship stripped. If this person happened to be someone you don't like, with it being up to your discretion, it would be very easy for you to remove their citizenship.

At risk of sounding pedantic, the zero votes in a month case is ambigious and under some interpretations would make all legislators lose status (0 of 0 is not greater than 0/2). The change in the existing draft is an easy adjustment.

4. Continued legislator status requires active membership and good behavior. Within the first week of each calendar month, the Chair will remove legislator status from any person absent for three non-concurrent Assembly votes more than half of all votes finished in the previous calendar month during which a minimum of three votes have taken place; legislators who have an approved leave of absence from the Chair shall not be considered absent. Additionally, the Chair may suspend privileges for disruptive members. Frequent suspensions may be grounds for ineligibility, if found appropriate in a fair trial by the High Court.

I much prefer this.

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Probably should add "if less than 3 votes occur, one vote will constitute keeping legislator status"...



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That doesn't really fix it the issue though, in the single vote cas missing three days of a month is still enough to lose it. It also doesn't cover the zero vote case.

Hypothetically the lower cases can still leave concurrent votes as an issue, for example if a month had three votes but two were held at the same time.

Also on a major special case: votes that start in one month and end in another. When are they counted? Both months? The month it starts in? The month it ends in?

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