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Bzerneleg · 04-26-2018, 08:18 AM

(04-25-2018, 11:00 AM)Ryccia Wrote: This appears to me as adding an unnecessary job. Like Venezuela's state oil company adding thousands of jobs, whilst output and revenue remained largely the same.

I recall MoRA being responsible for overseeing and encouraging RP. Yet, for ages, it neglected that area, as the local population independently created our roleplay instead. Perhaps a mentorship, like they do in Europeia, is more acceptable? This mentorship would be done by LegCom.

And why the succession section? One of the things I would like to criticize about this bill is that most of the text is not about this Parliamentarian's intended functions, but about the rules, succession and whatnot regarding this position. The actual functions look like a footnote compared to the block of text. I may be exaggerating, however, so, ignore this.

With all due respect, I do not see the Parliamentarian as a unnecessary job. I believe that by establishing the office of the Parliamentarian, what you will see is a stop to the inaction to solve this issue, it's supposed to be solved a long time ago, and now we have to deal with this problem, it is unacceptable that we let this continue.

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**Belschaft** · 04-26-2018, 10:16 AM

Will you also be introducing a "Deputy MoA for Recruitment Act" or will the cabinet still be allowed to staff their offices as they wish?

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The Serres Republic · 04-26-2018, 12:23 PM

(04-26-2018, 10:16 AM)Belschaft Wrote: Will you also be introducing a "Deputy MoA for Recruitment Act" or will the cabinet still be allowed to staff their offices as they wish?

It has already been mentioned that this bill will not restrict the cabinet’s freedom to appoint their own staff. All this act is doing is ensuring that an important office is filled during every CoA term.

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***Kris Kringle*** · 04-26-2018, 12:25 PM

To be fair, there is a difference between the Assembly regulating the job of its presiding officer and that of the Cabinet.

I'm not saying this bill is good or bad, just that it isn't necessarily a slippery slope to Cabinet overlegislation.

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Nakari · 04-26-2018, 12:48 PM

I would suggest either making this its own office that isn't essentially a CoA deputy, or simply establishing this as a duty of the CoA that can then be deputized by the CoA if necessary.

islands_of_unity · 04-26-2018, 01:30 PM

(04-26-2018, 12:48 PM)nakari Wrote: I would suggest either making this its own office that isn't essentially a CoA deputy, or simply establishing this as a duty of the CoA that can then be deputized by the CoA if necessary.

The chair of the assembly is the most qualified structure in the assembly to put a Parliamentarian in place: electing one would politicize the role. I am also going to go out on a limb here and say that the chair has a lot of work to do already, and that this would only add to that workload. (In theory the chair could do both, but if it was that easy they probably would have already been doing so) Also having this power vested in a separate individual safeguards against the possibility of the chair being caught at a bad time when they are too busy to help a new group of legislators.

**Belschaft** · 04-26-2018, 04:35 PM

(04-26-2018, 12:23 PM)The Serres Republic Wrote:
(04-26-2018, 10:16 AM)Belschaft Wrote: Will you also be introducing a "Deputy MoA for Recruitment Act" or will the cabinet still be allowed to staff their offices as they wish?

It has already been mentioned that this bill will not restrict the cabinet’s freedom to appoint their own staff. All this act is doing is ensuring that an important office is filled during every CoA term.

(04-26-2018, 12:25 PM)Kris Kringle Wrote: To be fair, there is a difference between the Assembly regulating the job of its presiding officer and that of the Cabinet.

I'm not saying this bill is good or bad, just that it isn't necessarily a slippery slope to Cabinet overlegislation.

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I don't think it's substantively different from previous proposals to require Ministers to appoint specific deputies. And it does restrict the Chair of the Assembly's ability to appoint their own staff, as it requires them to appoint a "Parliamentarian" in charge of certain parts of the Chair's job; it is entirely possible, even likely, that the Chair may wish to structure their office differently. It's exactly like the Assembly dictating that the MoFA has to appoint a "Deputy for World Assembly Affairs" or the MoRA a "Deputy for Press Relations".

It's a level of legislation that restricts the office holders ability to do things their own way, and creates a new lair of bureaucracy and bloats our lawbooks unnecessarily. If the Chair needs to appoint a deputy to do these tasks they already can; if a Chair is letting these tasks slide by the wayside, then we can elect a new chair.

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***Kris Kringle*** · 04-26-2018, 04:48 PM

It absolutely is a restriction, and one absolutely may consider it necessary or unnecessary, depending on their views on overlegislation. I'm just saying the Assembly has a greater claim, politically speaking, to a right to regulate the Office of the Chair than it does for the Cabinet.

The Chair does work for all legislators, after all, so legislators could conceivably decide that the infrastructure at their disposal should be codified in law, rather than subject to the priorities of each Chair.

I don't really have an opinion on the actual merits of this bill. Pass it, don't pass it, I'll still abstain on it. I'm just making the point that it's not entirely unreasonable for the Assembly to regulate the Chair.

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Lakania · 04-26-2018, 08:20 PM

I'm definitely one to agree that this is over legislation.

I think this is trying to solve a real problem the wrong way. I'd rather see this as a government mandated mentorship/companion program, rather than an office this is required by law to be filled.

Like others said, this is creating more offices when there's already too many for the responsibilities available.

The Serres Republic · 04-27-2018, 04:40 AM

(04-26-2018, 04:35 PM)Belschaft Wrote:
(04-26-2018, 12:23 PM)The Serres Republic Wrote:
(04-26-2018, 10:16 AM)Belschaft Wrote: Will you also be introducing a "Deputy MoA for Recruitment Act" or will the cabinet still be allowed to staff their offices as they wish?

It has already been mentioned that this bill will not restrict the cabinet’s freedom to appoint their own staff. All this act is doing is ensuring that an important office is filled during every CoA term.

(04-26-2018, 12:25 PM)Kris Kringle Wrote: To be fair, there is a difference between the Assembly regulating the job of its presiding officer and that of the Cabinet.

I'm not saying this bill is good or bad, just that it isn't necessarily a slippery slope to Cabinet overlegislation.

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I don't think it's substantively different from previous proposals to require Ministers to appoint specific deputies. And it does restrict the Chair of the Assembly's ability to appoint their own staff, as it requires them to appoint a "Parliamentarian" in charge of certain parts of the Chair's job; it is entirely possible, even likely, that the Chair may wish to structure their office differently. It's exactly like the Assembly dictating that the MoFA has to appoint a "Deputy for World Assembly Affairs" or the MoRA a "Deputy for Press Relations".

It's a level of legislation that restricts the office holders ability to do things their own way, and creates a new lair of bureaucracy and bloats our lawbooks unnecessarily. If the Chair needs to appoint a deputy to do these tasks they already can; if a Chair is letting these tasks slide by the wayside, then we can elect a new chair.

I honestly can't find myself disagreeing with how this restricts the office. You have made an excellent point.

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