Will your independent event service cooperate with MoRA?

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Will your independent event service cooperate with MoRA?

I think that's something that I would approach on a case-by-case basis related to what's happening. I'd certainly like for it to be possible for that cooperation to occur. However, recent public and private statements by the Cabinet have seemed to indicate that they do not wish to it to be affiliated with them or TSP at all, so I'm not sure MoRA would even want my help.

Ultimately, I started this out of my longstanding passion for Festivals and Culture, something I've always strived to translate in my TSP efforts, and something I've always been passionate about. However, since it's my own passion project, I'd obviously be trying to work on themes I'm interested in and dates that work for me. If all the stars align, it's a possibility that I'd be open to helping.

Escade

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However, recent public and private statements by the Cabinet have seemed to indicate that they do not wish to it to be affiliated with them or TSP at all, so I'm not sure MoRA would even want my help.

Considering that you left the MoRA Discord server as soon as the elections concluded (not even waiting until the transition period ended), and in doing so didn't even pass on ownership of that server to the new minister but rather to somebody else entirely, does that not rather suggest that a lack of willingness to cooperate comes from you rather than them?

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However, recent public and private statements by the Cabinet have seemed to indicate that they do not wish to it to be affiliated with them or TSP at all, so I'm not sure MoRA would even want my help.

Considering that you left the MoRA Discord server as soon as the elections concluded (not even waiting until the transition period ended), and in doing so didn't even pass on ownership of that server to the new minister but rather to somebody else entirely, does that not rather suggest that a lack of willingness to cooperate comes from you rather than them?

I left the MoRA Discord server because I wanted to take a break from Executive Government and to be able to focus on my passions and goals, given that I've spent the previous two terms working tirelessly for the region rather than some of my personal passion projects. Then, the current MoRA ragequit both the LoTR festival and the MoRA Discord server - I left to avoid any further drama and to fulfill a request as it were. However, this seems to be turning into a discussion about MoRA. I did not run for MoRA and am not the current MoRA. As far as I know, the MoRA still has a council of advisers and staff as well as the current delegate to rely on for help and assistance and should utilize them.

Also, because I feel standards should be equal and fair across the board, I will requote the posts that touch on this and repeat my questions. To reiterate - what did the past three delegates do with and for the cabinet in terms of the three ministries?  MoMA, MoFA, and MoRA?  What are the actual things that have been done and what concrete and clear expectations are there? Are these standards being held to all delegates and delegate candidates? I certainly hope so and with concrete examples, we might even get somewhere with what the region wants and expects their delegates to do that either (seemingly) isn't being done or perhaps there are other struggles going on.

Anyway, the cabinet made a very clear public statement that is linked to in the first place it was brought up below (in case you missed it earlier):

As somebody wanting to be Delegate of TSP, why are you starting a third-party, independent “event service” that’s clearly meant to compete with the Ministry of Regional Affairs? Shouldn’t the Delegate be supporting the region’s government, rather than competing against it? If you win, would you be using your position as Delegate to promote your new third-party thing, over or in competition with MoRA events?

There is no competition? This is not a MoRA project? It's a project run by two TSPers that has been in plans for a while. 
 
MoRA is a government institution that has several different functions beyond events.  For there to be a competition there would have to be simultaneous events running? The one event that I was offered to host that could have competed with MoRA (the region Australia wanted to run a music festival type event) I didn't even do because of the potential conflicts.  Currently the server is full of players who I like socially, who have asked me for help on events in the past or currently, and who have even tried to recruit me to their regions so I can help them with their culture.  The server is about a skill I and my partner Ian are good at (building culture and activity) and sharing it with people.

If anyone would like to know more about it you may check out the dispatch here. Or check out the thread here in the TSP Embassy thread for a very bizarre reaction to this entire project and one that I think seems to have a very low estimation of MoRA and the many things it does beyond events (as well as that not everything is a competition and trying to destroy independent projects from TSPers is actually antithetical to a healthier and more active TSP).  Framing things in such a negative light echoes my earlier point about the kind of toxicity that is highly problematic in this region. 

I've been approached constantly to help people with their events.  I've tried when I can and ended up repeating the same information and thought a central location would help people see how these things go from idea to realization.  Plus, I've met a lot of really wonderful and unique people in this game and its a place for all of them to meet each other, make new friends, and also possibly come up with some fun projects. These are people from the UCR, GCR, roleplay and other communities and politics is left behind.

We don't always have to do things for an advantage of some sort or a title or credit, sometimes its really just helping fun things happen in a game that is about fun.


 

The position of delegate requires a large amount of cooperation with the Cabinet. Do you believe that as delegate you will be able to work with the members of the Cabinet (and CRS successfully, despite long-running tensions with nearly all of them?

Can you point out particular points where the last three delegates of TSP have engendered a "large amount of cooperation" with the Cabinet?  In fact, you can specifically speak to the last term where you held the same role you do now (MoMA) to provide examples of the type of cooperation you recall from the delegate for the SPSF or for major MoRA events such as the Lord of the Rings festival or the second Olympics event?  While it is feasible that the delegate assist with growth and activity - the past three delegates have interpreted this in different ways. So I'd like you to detail what types of cooperation you have seen in your own last term and the previous ones and then what types of cooperation you would expect now so I can address specifics.

Thanks for clarifying, in advance. 
 

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I view the fact that multiple former delegates were nominated for the position as delegate a major concern. Do you share that concern and if so what do you think nations like us can do to ensure that newer generations of TSPers are capable to lead?

That's a good question. I think there are two parts to this actually. First is our elections in general tend to favor candidates (such as the current cabinet consists of people who had held positions in TSP before). 

Then while several promising newer players (as in haven't held a number of positions outside of maybe a particular niche) have been nominated (among these PencilSharpeners2, Vietnam, and Omega who for various reasons cannot run.  I do hope they run next term or plan to get involved in the cabinet. In fact, if PS2 or Vietnam or Omega had run I would not be running myself and would throw my full support behind them.

I'm going to be honest, there is also a fear of newer players couping the TSP delegacy which is why a tendency to want older players who have proven that they won't coup.  On the one hand, I can understand fears of coups although I think we don't want to be controlled by our fears.  Then, if there is a such a fear we can't count on one position (delegate) to prevent such things and really should figure out how else we can bolster the CRS and our security systems.

New players should run and should be nominated and encouraged. This is not to say that I like candidates who have no experience whatsoever. Newer players who have provided service to the region whether as LC members or cabinet or Chair of Assembly though should run. 

As delegate I'd like to take on a team (because in every position I've held, I like to build a team) of players  and  encourage them and give them insight as well as a way to show what they can do for the region.  I'd welcome players who have been nominated (and have some service to the region) to ask whoever does become delegate to take them on as a team member. There's so much more you can accomplish if you work together. 

Thank you all for the questions! If there are any clarifications please let me know  

Escade

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The story you’re giving about your “event service” isn’t really believable. You left MoRA at a low point, in a way you’re still very bitter about to this day (calling it “political theatrics”, rather than taking any personal responsibility for your own actions and behavior). The person who replaced you, Nakari, was someone you talked poorly about and expressed conspiracies about along the lines of them being installed as part of a Roavin-led cabal. That conspiracy was tied into one about Roavin doing the motion of no confidence specifically to torpedo your chances at running for higher office.

Fast forward a little bit more than a month ahead, and you announce this “event service” in tandem with running for Delegate. It’s announced via TSP’s Gameplay embassy thread, and it uses MoRA events as examples to draw people in. Those events weren’t you alone. While nobody will downplay how great you were at organizing them, there was a whole institution behind them and several people who contributed to them, so taking those MoRA events and using them to boost a private side project is going to raise eyebrows.

You’re claiming now that the Cabinet doesn’t want to work with you on events, and using that as a reason why you created the service. But the only reason the Cabinet looks down upon it is exactly because the environment in and intention with which you created it— to have your own private events ministry, to try to overshadow the actual MoRA that you left unceremoniously.


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To reinforce what Glen said, Legislators can get a glimpse of the context here, about halfway through page 15.

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This has now become, rather than a thread about my campaign for delegate, a rehashing of the toxic behavior undertaken by the same few people. The delegate of the South Pacific is not the Minister of Regional Affairs.  If you can't provide examples of how the past three delegates have worked with the cabinet - then I'm not sure what you're expectations are and this feels like another disingenuous attack. 

Instead of players answering any of my questions about how this is related to the delegacy - I see an attempt to rehash the MoNC.  It's actually kind of sad actually because I have not and nor do I intend to engage in this public toxicity with people who claimed to be my friends until I disagreed with them politically.  It's terrible when players let their desire for absolute power and control lead to harming the region and its atmosphere as well. Hilariously, both Glenn and Roavin have stated I would be a great delegate even quite recently but I guess, only if I bend to their wills. Fortunately, for my own ethics, I will not backstab anyone for any social clique.  

Here is the cabinet reaction to my project: https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic...2&t=446206

I initially had asked the FA Minister for approval, he approved the post, I then posted. Sometime later he then came back and said the cabinet had agreed it should be removed. It's a petty removal and one that again, like the MoNC, does nothing but harm TSP's image internally and abroad and creates divides. Even the publicity in that thread is bad publicity for the region but hypocrisy is strong here.

Players have been DMing me about the past MoRA term and the specifics  because a false narrative is being sold there as well. I have nothing to say. I am not ashamed of any of my actions, I am proud of who I am as a person. If I have made mistakes they are minor and inconsequential in the larger realm of things people do in this game. I have never done anything to harm TSP and will never do so. 

Once more this is about my delegacy and not an avenue for toxicity, displays of insecurity, and those that have nothing positive to add to TSP.

I'd appreciate relevant questions to my potential delegacy.

Escade

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Two questions (that I’m asking everyone so yay):

What makes TSP unique?

What will you do if you are not elected Delegate?

Above all else, I hope to be a decent person.
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Here is the cabinet reaction to my project: https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic...2&t=446206

I initially had asked the FA Minister for approval, he approved the post, I then posted. Sometime later he then came back and said the cabinet had agreed it should be removed. It's a petty removal and one that again, like the MoNC, does nothing but harm TSP's image internally and abroad and creates divides. Even the publicity in that thread is bad publicity for the region but hypocrisy is strong here.

Since your link points to Glen's comments, and he is not part of the Cabinet, I feel compelled to make the actual Cabinet response clear:

Speaking as Prime Minister of The South Pacific with the whole Cabinet in agreement, this service is neither part of, affiliated with, or endorsed by the government of the South Pacific. This is indeed a personal project outside of TSP. Created by a prominent TSPer, but outside of TSP. There were some initial miscommunications about this post, which have since been clarified. She has already been privately asked to remove it, and refused.

A calm and unambiguous response to the mod's questions, despite the raging going on by other parties in that thread.

Resentine approved the initial request after misinterpreting the content and nature of Escade's request. When the Cabinet reviewed the matter we unanimously agreed the Embassy thread was not an appropriate place for it, Resentine included. To minimize the public drama, we requested privately that it be removed.

Of course both those descriptions undersell the situation. The only reason Glen was even aware of the Cabinet's decision at all was because the nature of Escade's response alarmed us enough to loop in the Council for Regional Security. In response to our request, Escade proceeded to make threats against the Cabinet unless we supported her delegacy while spinning the same conspiracies seen throughout her other posts.

This is hardly her only regional security issue either. Such as month ago, when she went nearly 100 endos above the cap. When rejected from the CRS for failing to meet eligibility requirements, and pressured the CRS to grant her a personal exemption from the endo cap requirements as well as pressuring us to immediately change the endo cap. It was only under the threat of invoking the Border Control Act for over her "continuously and defiantly violat[ing] the endorsement cap" that she finally dropped it.

Likewise, Escade's event services do impact her role as Delegate. The Delegate is expected to work with the government of TSP. To reject working with MoRA and instead use her own private event services, would be a clear case of corruption by using public office for private gain. Given her abandonment of MoRA and repeated promotion of this, there is no evidence at the moment you intend to do anything to the contrary.

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Here is the cabinet reaction to my project: https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic...2&t=446206

I initially had asked the FA Minister for approval, he approved the post, I then posted. Sometime later he then came back and said the cabinet had agreed it should be removed. It's a petty removal and one that again, like the MoNC, does nothing but harm TSP's image internally and abroad and creates divides. Even the publicity in that thread is bad publicity for the region but hypocrisy is strong here.

Since your link points to Glen's comments, and he is not part of the Cabinet, I feel compelled to make the actual Cabinet response clear:

Speaking as Prime Minister of The South Pacific with the whole Cabinet in agreement, this service is neither part of, affiliated with, or endorsed by the government of the South Pacific. This is indeed a personal project outside of TSP. Created by a prominent TSPer, but outside of TSP. There were some initial miscommunications about this post, which have since been clarified. She has already been privately asked to remove it, and refused.

A calm and unambiguous response to the mod's questions, despite the raging going on by other parties in that thread.

Resentine approved the initial request after misinterpreting the content and nature of Escade's request. When the Cabinet reviewed the matter we unanimously agreed the Embassy thread was not an appropriate place for it, Resentine included. To minimize the public drama, we requested privately that it be removed.

Of course both those descriptions undersell the situation. The only reason Glen was even aware of the Cabinet's decision at all was because the nature of Escade's response alarmed us enough to loop in the Council for Regional Security. In response to our request, Escade proceeded to make threats against the Cabinet unless we supported her delegacy while spinning the same conspiracies seen throughout her other posts.

This is hardly her only regional security issue either. Such as month ago, when she went nearly 100 endos above the cap. When rejected from the CRS for failing to meet eligibility requirements, and pressured the CRS to grant her a personal exemption from the endo cap requirements as well as pressuring us to immediately change the endo cap. It was only under the threat of invoking the Border Control Act for over her "continuously and defiantly violat[ing] the endorsement cap" that she finally dropped it.

Likewise, Escade's event services do impact her role as Delegate. The Delegate is expected to work with the government of TSP. To reject working with MoRA and instead use her own private event services, would be a clear case of corruption by using public office for private gain. Given her abandonment of MoRA and repeated promotion of this, there is no evidence at the moment you intend to do anything to the contrary.   

I linked to the thread which includes your post, or perhaps you didn't notice that? 

I made that embassy thread and had very different rules about what TSPers could post there (being far more lax including when I posted about mermaids and such) which is why I told both you and Resentine to start a new embassy thread with clear rules about what you were or were not allowing. In fact, I still suggest you do that because you've changed the rules from what has been acceptable over the past one and half years.  

I have not made any threats against the cabinet and have not directly spoken to any cabinet member, other than Resentine, for some time now.  In fact, I am frankly tired of all this bullshit. If any of this is true, take me to court over it. Otherwise stop the bullshit. All of you.  You don't have to vote for me, you can use that power. You don't have to try to erase anything I've done in this region by completely trashing my reputation and character because I won't obey you or praise your mediocre attempts to play House of Cards.  I am a socialite and I am proud of it

That players are now trying to make me out to be a CRS threat is not only bizarre but ridiculous.  I am that same player that chose to resign from the WA and CTE because of the fears in 2014 that were not only unfounded but also attempted to use doxxing and other threats against me then. 

As for my private server, it has nothing to do with the delegacy and again no one here has show how the past three delegates have worked with any of the ministries in concrete terms. Many events run by the MoRA have not even been attended by a delegate (I can even list them), much less promoted. So what exactly are you demanding from me that you haven't demanded from any other candidate?

What does a delegate candidate having a real life job, or a hobby, or a class schedule prevent them from being a good delegate? The double standards here are bizarre and disgusting.

Escade

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