We are debating and drafting a regional security omnibus package. This thread is the overall management thread for the entire thing, though there are several sub-threads for addressing specific subsets of this larger reform:

[DISCUSSION] Regional Security: Delegate Service Record
[DISCUSSION] Regional Security: Naming
[DRAFT] Regional Security: Amend The Charter
[DRAFT] Regional Security: Amend Border Control Act
[DRAFT] Regional Security: Amend Judicial Act
[DRAFT] Regional Security: Amend Proscription Act
[DRAFT] Regional Security: Amend Regional Communications Act
[DRAFT] Regional Security: Amend Regional Officers Act
[DRAFT] Regional Security: Amend Criminal Code
[DRAFT] Regional Security: New CSI Act
[DRAFT] Regional Security: New DC Act
[DRAFT] Regional Security: Continuing resolution

The current recap of planned changes:

• The CRS and LegComm are dissolved.
  
• The DC (Defense Council) is formed, consisting of high-influence high-endorsement nations.
  
• The CSI (Council on Security and Intelligence) is formed, consisting of trusted individuals with, ideally, experience in regional security.
  
• The DC's requirements are the mechanical requirements of the current CRS (maybe slightly adjusted to fit with the times), plus approval by the CSI.
  
• The DC tracks and looks after things like SWAN and enforces the endocap as per CSI recommendation.
  
• The Delegate must be a legislator and either on the DC or be otherwise eligible for DC, and must have and include a service record with their campaign.
  
• The CSI handles Legislator Applications.
  
• The Cabinet receives a general mandate for handling all appointments (and the assembly maintains its mandate to confirm all appointments)
  
• The CSI is split into junior and senior ranks to lower the barrier of entry whilst ensuring confidentiality
  
• The CSI will be chaired by a senior member
  
• The provision allowing SPSF to have an intelligence office will be removed.
  
• CRS responsibilities that will be transferred to CSI: Declaring a state of emergency, ordering border control action for security reasons, Parole Board, Issuing authority for proscriptions, appointing boder control officers,
  
• CRS responsibilities that will be transferred to DC: Delegacy succession, holding border control, ordering border control action for endorsement cap violations (in coop with CSI for high-influence nations),
  
• Initial members of DC: Existing CRS
  
• LegComm becomes junior CSI
  
• Glen, Tsu become senior CSI
  

(old post below)

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Our situation, right now: We have a CRS, which is a bunch of high-endo high-influence nations whose job is to ensure regional security, but have de facto a negligible amount of power in the day to day business to ensure regional security (i.e. upholding the Coalition).

Let's approach this logically. The base requirement: The Coalition, as the sovereign and legitimate government of the South Pacific, must ensure its control over the in-game region against detractors.

This involves:

• Mechanical measures to emplace and uphold a legal Coalition-appointed Delegate as in-game Delegate.
  
• Intelligence and counterintelligence to recognize and oppose threats
  

These are two completely different things, with different skillsets, currently performed by a single group. I think that's highly problematic.

I propose something like following, in rough bullet points:

• The CRS and LegComm are dissolved.
  
• The DC (Defense Council) is formed, consisting of high-influence high-endorsement nations.
  
• The CSI (Council on Security and Intelligence) is formed, consisting of trusted security-hardened individuals.
  
• The DC's requirements are like the current CRS requirements, except they must also be vetted and approved by the CSI.
  
• The DC tracks and looks after things like SWAN and enforces the endocap as per CSI recommendation.
  
• The Delegate in the future is voted only game-side from willing DC nations. No more forum vote. The Delegate does not have to be a Legislator anymore.
  
• The CSI handles Legislator Applications.
  
• The CSI is appointed by itself and approved by the assembly.
  
• The CSI itself is structured into senior and junior ranks.
  

(I've been talking about this for over a year and a half now, about time I started a thread on it...)

(This post was last modified: 01-17-2019, 05:15 AM by Roavin.)

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• The DC (Defense Council) is formed, consisting of high-influence high-endorsement nations.
  ...
  
• The Delegate in the future is voted only game-side from willing DC nations. No more forum vote. The Delegate does not have to be a Legislator anymore.
  

Could you expand on your reasoning for the change to the Delegacy?

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• The DC (Defense Council) is formed, consisting of high-influence high-endorsement nations.
  ...
  
• The Delegate in the future is voted only game-side from willing DC nations. No more forum vote. The Delegate does not have to be a Legislator anymore.
  

Could you expand on your reasoning for the change to the Delegacy?

I'll just quote myself from Discord:

In March 2017, I wrote:

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[10:42 AM] Robama: My idea, though I can see  that some would be against that, is that the Delegate is merely an individual from the Defense Council chosen to have the most endorsements and carry out the duties of appointing ROs and such.
10:43 AM] Robama: Reason being - people on the Defense Council already have high endos and high influence, and are vetted
[10:43 AM] Robama: So whoever it is just needs to tart and do a few extra responsibilities intrinsic to the office of Delegate
[10:44 AM] Robama: DC has no powers otherwise :stuck_out_tongue:
[10:44 AM] Robama: Just trusted to have the high-endo high-influence nations
[10:44 AM] Robama: And maybe some side-line duties to encourage WA membership and endorsements for Delegate and DC members

And a few weeks ago:

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1:59 AM] islands of unity: Some of robama's suggestions earlier were ok, but I didn't like the idea that only members of the D.C. Could be delegate
[2:02 AM] Robama: What's the issue with it?
[2:02 AM] Robama: I mean
[2:05 AM] Robama: okay, sorry to have to take you as the example again, but dammit you're the poignant one
[2:05 AM] Robama: the Delegacy is the most powerful position in-game, and with regional officers and other changes, it's nigh-on impossible to liberate a GCR from a rogue Delegate these days.
[2:06 AM] Robama: You reeeeeaaaaaally don't want to have as Delegate just anybody
[2:06 AM] Robama: now, I've been advocating for DC-only Delegates for quite some time, but I'll be honest, your run reinforced that for me even more.(edited)
[2:07 AM] Robama: Because you managed to tap into alot of votes that would have otherwise been unallocated, in a system that prefers strong fringe candidates over broad consensus candidates, and thereby propelled yourself to quite a front spot

(This post was last modified: 11-13-2018, 11:00 AM by Roavin.)

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That is helpful. Thank you.

I am also curious why you believe it is not necessary for the Delegate to be a Legislator?

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I am ... somewhat skeptical about the delegate situation, but am generally fine with this proposal.

I'm concerned moving the delegate as such would allow an even bigger gap between the forum side and the RMB side since there could be no crossover. 

Second, I'm not sure how the region would feel about only being able to pick between several members. It seems to be playing into the oligarchy stuff.

-tsunamy
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I'm not sold on dropping the Legislator requirement for Delegate, it was just an idea. I think Tsu makes a compelling argument against it, actually!

Regarding the Oligarchy stuff - I mean, let's be real, that's a matter of how you sell it. Anybody can become Delegate still, it just takes an extra step now. It's not much different now, where it's the "forum oligarchy" decides on the two candidates that the proletariat is allowed to choose from.

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Mmm.

I'm not sure if I would call this a step or a leap. It would depend on how many members of the DC you envision there being.

Edit: I would like to note my objection to the lack of Legislator-status for the Delegate. I can see no logical reason why this should be the case and would much rather the proposed change be dropped.

(This post was last modified: 11-13-2018, 12:54 PM by Amerion.)

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No. No. No. No. No. Heck no. I refuse. No. You're giving this institution too much power.

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'k, unless somebody has a cogent reason otherwise, consider the Legislator requirement for Delegate to stand in what I'm proposing.

Regarding the DC, I presume it'd be more than there are CRS members now, because you don't need to worry about the CSI-part anymore! Some of those would even be, I can imagine, rather gamesiders that have been supportive of the forum government in the past. Tsu can surely namedrop several off the top of his head; when I thought of this in 2017, I was specifically thinking people like PS2 (though he has since become an ebil forum oligarch like the rest of us).

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No. No. No. No. No. Heck no. I refuse. No. You're giving this institution too much power.

Elaborate? Which of the two institutions? How much?

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