| Recall: Chair of the Assembly |
I think we need to stop considering behavior that doesn't result in poor performance to be worthy of recall. Has Unibot's behavior caused disruption in the Assembly? If not, then we already have a way to punish people for doing things we don't like. Vote against him in the next election, if he runs.
I do not support this recall motion.
If I'm required by law to state the reason why I do not support it, very well, but if not, then that is all.
(09-29-2014, 08:53 PM)Sandaoguo Wrote: I think we need to stop considering behavior that doesn't result in poor performance to be worthy of recall. Has Unibot's behavior caused disruption in the Assembly? If not, then we already have a way to punish people for doing things we don't like. Vote against him in the next election, if he runs. Actually, Unibot attempted to draw the entire region into this debate via his discussion on having a "private" TSP chat room, simply because our CoA doesn't know how to conduct himself in public. Whether or not his initial actions were outside of the "region," coming to the Assembly is complain about his treatment is disruptive and shows incredibly poor judgement on his part. If the Assembly followed it's chair down this path, we were would be cutting off significant outreach opportunities because an elected official can't get along with others. If that's not grounds for a recall, I really don't know what is.
-tsunamy
[forum admin] (09-30-2014, 12:48 AM)Tsunamy Wrote: we were would be cutting off significant outreach opportunities because an elected official can't get along with others. I did not propose that TSP end #the_south_pacific, I proposed the creation of a separate IRC channel for TSP citizens only. I don't see how that is grounds for a recall. I made a proposal - it was unpopular. It's been retracted. The proposal itself was not groundbreaking and did not even require legislation.
(09-30-2014, 12:59 AM)Unibot Wrote:(09-30-2014, 12:48 AM)Tsunamy Wrote: we were would be cutting off significant outreach opportunities because an elected official can't get along with others. Unibot -- your judgement was rash, the proposal was rash and shows that -- at best -- you can't separate your governmental role from your individual actions. You wanted the region to get out its pitchforks after you insulted someone from another region and were punished appropriately. Whether or not it was a popular suggestion, you were still attempting to manipulate the region because you can't manage interpersonal communication. (And, actually, you would need legislation to add an IRC room to TSP jurisdiction.) We can pay lip-service to the idea that elected officials can act outside of their governmental roles, but clearly you attempted to leverage your government position to even a personal vendetta. Instead of apologizing and admitting you were wrong, you wanted the entire region to take its marbles and go home.
I don't see how I "leveraged" my government position to do anything - I proposed a private member's bill which any of us could do (not simply the Chair) and dropped it when it proved unpopular (and also pointless really in retrospect, given as others had pointed out, legislation wasn't needed to pursue what I was suggesting).
Furthermore, I have apologized and admitted I was in the wrong, in regards to the conversation in #the_south_pacific. I just had an unresolved problem with the way in which the IRC channel was basically 'invaded' by foreigners trying to stir trouble, so I suggested a citizens' IRC Channel. Although the initial OP team was unwilling to respond to the orchestrated attempt to stir trouble in #the_south_pacific, the Channel's Founder and SOP has since told me that they also found it to be wrongful and presumably the individuals involved have received some kind of slap on the wrist. That satisfied my remaining concerns and in the same conversation I apologized for the language which I used, especially having not been aware of the specific misogynist connotations that one of those curse words has in America.
There is no reason to recall Uni. In real life if someone makes a mistake they don't just get fired or threatened to be fired so I don't see why we should do it here. Uni has been doing his job fine as Sandaoguo said if you don't like him don't vote for him it's as simple as that.
Europeian Ambassador to The South Pacific
Former Local Council Member Former Minister of Regional Affairs Former High Court Justice
(09-30-2014, 12:48 AM)Tsunamy Wrote: Actually, Unibot attempted to draw the entire region into this debate via his discussion on having a "private" TSP chat room, simply because our CoA doesn't know how to conduct himself in public.Honestly, who the hell cares? Why is this a big deal? It's 2014.You're not going to hell for hearing a few curse words. Stop trying to be the morality and decency police. Unibot's little rant on IRC has zero impact on his ability to put bills up to vote, so frankly anybody supporting his recall is doing it for selfish reasons. If you don't like him, don't vote for him.
(09-30-2014, 11:32 AM)Punchwood Wrote: There is no reason to recall Uni. In real life if someone makes a mistake they don't just get fired or threatened to be fired so I don't see why we should do it here. Uni has been doing his job fine as Sandaoguo said if you don't like him don't vote for him it's as simple as that. Yes, actually, you do. If the way you conduct yourself outside of your job has negative effects on your job or your organization, you absolutely get fired for doing stupid things. That's how firing works. Also, let me expand a bit on this. I'm not sold that I would vote "yes" on a recall. I think Unibot's actions had the potential to harm our foreign interests and, at the very least, he made region look bad by his actions. However, this is an appropriate discussion to have. We should be scrutinizing our elected officials and make sure they are representing the region in a way we find acceptable. That is why we have a recall process -- for when we don't like what our elected officials are doing. It's fine to say we don't have to vote for them in the next election, but that's essentially two months away. How many more people can we offend in the next eight weeks? Moreover, if we as an Assembly sanction such actions by dismissing a recall out of hand, we're implicitly condoning these actions.
-tsunamy
[forum admin]
(09-30-2014, 12:09 PM)Sandaoguo Wrote:(09-30-2014, 12:48 AM)Tsunamy Wrote: Actually, Unibot attempted to draw the entire region into this debate via his discussion on having a "private" TSP chat room, simply because our CoA doesn't know how to conduct himself in public.Honestly, who the hell cares? Why is this a big deal? It's 2014.You're not going to hell for hearing a few curse words. Stop trying to be the morality and decency police. Unibot's little rant on IRC has zero impact on his ability to put bills up to vote, so frankly anybody supporting his recall is doing it for selfish reasons. We're not going to go to hell, but we certainly have the potential to burn foreign policy bridges. As the MoFA, you should understand the importance of playing nice with others.
-tsunamy
[forum admin] |
| Users browsing this thread: |
| 2 Guest(s) |