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(03-11-2016, 11:36 PM)Imperial Frost Federation Wrote: Whoever gets the party nomination, Either party is screwed

I think that's over dramatising it. We elect Sanders, we're guaranteed to see something interesting happen that is otherwise non-apocalyptic, we elect Hillary, the status quo doesn't change, or we elect a Republican we all either burn in a nuclear apocalypse or we're no longer able to be able to breathe our own air and drink our own water because they removed all environmental regulations.

Pick Sanders and the Republicans will most likely win, while picking trump will let the Democrats win the election. Either way both parties are screwed regardless of the nomination.

(03-12-2016, 01:07 AM)Imperial Frost Federation Wrote: Pick Sanders and the Republicans will most likely win, while picking trump will let the Democrats win the election. Either way both parties are screwed regardless of the nomination.

Like I pointed out to Punchwood earlier, current polling suggests that Bernie would beat all of the current Republican candidates, and by a larger margin than Hillary. I have no idea where this idea of "The Republicans win if Bernie is the nominee" is coming from, but, for the moment it has no evidence supporting it.

Well Bernie Sanders is a one trick pony, nothing substantive on foreign policy And his economic policies like the Republicans are empty promises. Yeah Livable wage, universal health care and free college sounds nice but his plan will be shot down by the Republican majority in Congress and I doubt his colleagues in the Democratic Party will help once they realize their fundraising sponsors are also targeted.

(03-12-2016, 01:10 AM)Resentine Wrote:

(03-12-2016, 01:07 AM)Imperial Frost Federation Wrote: Pick Sanders and the Republicans will most likely win, while picking trump will let the Democrats win the election. Either way both parties are screwed regardless of the nomination.

Like I pointed out to Punchwood earlier, current polling suggests that Bernie would beat all of the current Republican candidates, and by a larger margin than Hillary. I have no idea where this idea of "The Republicans win if Bernie is the nominee" is coming from, but, for the moment it has no evidence supporting it.

Bernie would do better in a general election than Hillary for two reasons:

He can galvanize the young vote into the polls; and

He's not Hillary Clinton.

A lot of millennials that support Bernie now are not likely to turn around and support Hillary if Bernie fails to get the nomination. That is the price of his attacks on her, particularly over her ties to Wall Street. Odds are that many millennials will not vote if Hillary gets the nomination, because to them, both candidates aren't really a great option.

I also know that no matter how much they may agree with Bernie's policies, a lot of liberals and moderates will not support Hillary Clinton, period. It doesn't matter what she will try to say to appease the left- to them, she is just another politician, saying whatever she needs to say to get elected.

Look at Corbyn. People said he wasn't electable and his supporters showed us polls that said he was electable turns out he isn't electable. If Sanders was so electable why is Hillary winning by 70%+ in Southern States? If he was electable why is it not him with more than half the Delegates needed to become the nominee? Why can't he get the African American support he needs yet Clinton can? Why is Hillary the favourite to become the next President and not Sanders? Because he is unelectable, that's why. I don't care about your polls that show Sanders will beat Trump as he will never face Trump because he is losing the primaries.

One final point. The reason Obama became the nominee for the Democrats was because he won in the South yet now when Clinton is winning in the South you dismiss it.

(03-12-2016, 09:38 AM)Punchwood Wrote: Look at Corbyn. People said he wasn't electable and his supporters showed us polls that said he was electable turns out he isn't electable. If Sanders was so electable why is Hillary winning by 70%+ in Southern States? If he was electable why is it not him with more than half the Delegates needed to become the nominee? Why can't he get the African American support he needs yet Clinton can? Why is Hillary the favourite to become the next President and not Sanders? Because he is unelectable, that's why. I don't care about your polls that show Sanders will beat Trump as he will never face Trump because he is losing the primaries.

I think you're using a vague, moving goalposts definition of "unelectable". You're pointing to specific minorities and regions he's losing in as though they were the absolute result of the national polls, mixed in with biased statements like "favourite to win".

Pointing to raw delegate counts isn't a fair argument either. Sanders has 42% of pledged Democratic delegates, while every one of the Republican delegates have a lower percentage of their delegates than Sanders, thus by your logic every one of them is more unelectable than Sanders.

Ad then you go from vaguely referencing polls as the truth to outright ignoring another because of its findings. While they're hardly the most accurate polls this early it's wrong to ignore them.