I'm not sure I want to be, Kris.

I couldn't care less that he's not a security threat. But he's a threat to the stability and culture of this region. And you'd be wrong if you think that, by allowing him to participate in this region, everything will be ok. Cause it won't. Wounds may heal, but scars live on forever. Many people here had their hearts mangled by what took place. The trust in who many believed to be a great friend, who passionately cared for The South Pacific, was shreaded to bits with no warning. There was no reasoning other than to give himself another 15 minutes of fame.

How can we allow someone (back) into this region who committed the worst of sins against us, broke our trust, purged our residents, made a circus out of our court system, and laughed in our faces?
The answer is, we can not. We should not.

I'm going to defend this great region, while some try to makes us shake the hand that tried to murder us.

Let me be clear, since apparently only Apad is getting it: I don't care how you feel about Milograd or how many hundreds of nations he purged, that is a problem between the Parole Board and the citizens of this region. As someone who is registered on this forum, he is entitled to the same measure of respect as any other user, as per our moderation policies. I am reminding everyone that you do not get an exception from the rules, simply because he couped the region.

If we can all agree to that, then awesome.

Sorry, Mr. Delegate, but the fact that only you and one other member of the region 'gets it' may mean that the fault is with you, not us. Personally, I couldn't care less whether or not Milograd is on the forums. That doesn't entitle him to respect. I'm sure certain less respected members of our community may agree. Respect is something that is earned, and earning respect in Lazarus doesn't make one a respectable member of The South Pacific.

The point some people are missing is that Milograd was entitled to a parole hearing, but not to parole itself. This was an asinine decision.

That makes zero sense Bel. Parole is the result of passing a parole hearing.

Tsunamy Wrote:Well -- let's be clear that Milo wasn't "pardoned" and still has a year before he can fully interact with the region. So, it's not like we just threw out his entire sentence.

Agreed. Anyone and everyone should be entitled to a parole hearing, but I personally believe that his board set a precedent that entitles practically everyone that goes before a board to receive parole.

No one who gets a parole hearing is guaranteed to pass. Their achievements and behavior outside TSP reflects their rehabilitation progress, if they made any. As for Milo, six months after his sentence, he founded the PRL and has since been a great leader and outstanding individual.

I wasn't aware you've had so many personal interactions with Milograd, nor was I aware you were so active in Lazarus. The same can be said for the members of the parole board. I hate to make this a partisan issue, but I don't know if what the outcome of the board would have been if he was the 'great leader' of The West Pacific, Osiris or Balder.

(11-19-2014, 03:59 AM)God-Emperor Wrote: Sorry, Mr. Delegate, but the fact that only you and one other member of the region 'gets it' may mean that the fault is with you, not us.  Personally, I couldn't care less whether or not Milograd is on the forums.  That doesn't entitle him to respect.  I'm sure certain less respected members of our community may agree.  Respect is something that is earned, and earning respect in Lazarus doesn't make one a respectable member of The South Pacific.

I don't care if Milograd couped the region, and I couldn't care less about your feelings towards him. That is a political issue that does not concern forum moderators. If he returns to this forum and gets flamed, baited or treated in any manner not in accordance with forum rules, the moderation team will act. You do not get a pass simple because you don't think he deserves respect. Your opinion doesn't matter when it comes to enforcing the rules equally.

Kringalia
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I agree with the points that Aramanchovia, Rebeltopia, and Tsunamy had raised. But I am breaking my silence to express my disappointment and my disagreement with this decision. I know Milograd from the old TSP days and I am familiar with him through RP circles. He even taught me how to be a good delegate. TBQH, I do think that Milograd can be a productive member of the South Pacific.

However, this decision sets a dangerous precedent - that anyone can damage this region with impunity and get away with it eventually. I am not going to wish anyone my position during the coup - you won't certainly like it. All of those name-calling, the angry and hateful telegrams, the sleepless nights endured - nobody should go though it ever. The suffering that this region has endured - that should not be repeated, again.

I am not opposing because I dislike Milograd*, I am opposing because it is a bad decision for the region. This decision will embolden any would-be couper because the consequences of his/her actions may be merely temporary. This decision will open the region to miscreants who will treat the region and its rules with impunity.

This region must learn from the lessons of the past. This region must learn to defend its decisions and its independence. This region must learn to put itself first. "Shame on you if you fool me once, shame on me if you fool me twice." This region is preparing to shame itself with this decision.

(*Just to be clear, I do not dislike Milograd. )