(03-01-2015, 12:40 AM)Unibot Wrote: The problem is Kringalia, that we might deter actual relationships from forming because we misunderstand other region's rituals surrounding treaties - for what we see as putting the cart before the wheel, they see as simply ensuring the relationship has some expectations to it, so they know it'll go places.
Just to sound off here, since I actually think it's important, treaties as only worth how much people will put into it. If people aren't actually willing to help out, the treaty isn't worth the server space it takes up. So, while I appreciate that others have a different relationship to treaties, we still need the friendship and connections.
Beyond that, the Rock Paper Scissors event does sound like it could be a good way to extend cultural situation
-tsunamy
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I'd like to present a treaty draft, as negotiated between myself and President The Salaxalans and his advisor, Rogamark of Spiritus. Kris has also been involved in the discussion regarding culture.
Sal wanted something unique in the treaty, so he and Kris collaborated to give us the latter parts of Article 3.
The South Pacific - Spiritus Friendship Accords
aka The Lampshade Accords
Wherein the Coalition of the South Pacific and the Elemental Republic of Spiritus formally cement their ties as friends and allies.
Article 1 - Recognition of Government
1. The Coalition of the South Pacific (hereafter known as The South Pacific) and the Elemental Republic of Spiritus (hereafter known as Spiritus) hereby declare recognition for the legitimate governments of the other signatory and acknowledges their sovereignty and our shared ideals in the interests of democracy, cultural advancement and community cooperation. In addition we recognise the sovereignty of each member in their respective diplomatic, cultural, military and legislative matters.
1.1 To that extent, The South Pacific and Spiritus hereby declare this document to be a symbol of the friendship between both Governments and their respective communities.
1.2 The South Pacific recognises Spiritan President The Salaxalans as the lawful Head of State of Spiritus and resolves to recognise their successors as mandated by the people of Spiritus in line with this document.
1.3 Spiritus recognises the South Pacifican Delegate Tsunamy as the lawfully elected Head of State for the South Pacific and the Community elected leader of the region and resolves to recognise their legally elected successors in line with this document.
1.4 Both signatories extend a permanent Embassy to the other in their respective Embassy district and the creation of an Envoy to serve as diplomatic representative to the other party in order to further civil communication between communities.
1.5 Both signatories agree to not extend recognition to the other party in the event that a government comes to power contrary to the accepted legal procedures and laws of the signatory as defined by the Charter of the South Pacific and the Constitution of Spiritus respectively.
Article 2 - Military, Security and Counter-Intelligence
2. The signatories pledge to support the sovereignty of both The South Pacific and Spiritus wherever possible in line with this Treaty and our shared ideals.
2.1 Both signatories commit to never involving themselves, either directly or by supporting an effort to invade or infringe on the sovereignty of the home region of each signatory.
2.2 Both The South Pacific and Spiritus agree to share important intelligence with the other party should it pertain to threats domestic or external against their community or region.
2.3 Both The South Pacific and Spiritus commit to not partaking in espionage against each signatory, or infringing the sovereignty of the other signatory in any manner unless specifically requested by the primary authority of the other signatory.
2.4 Both signatories commit to deploying their respective militaries (or any successor military) in defence of each-other when necessary for the duration of this agreement.
2.5 Both signatories commit to partaking in shared operations and war-games in Warzones to better deepen the bond between the signatories. During war-games The South Pacific would raid the Warzone and Spiritus would work to liberate it. Other possibilities also include a shared and united defence of these regions against other military forces.
2.6 Each military shall arrange for a Liaison to the other as a means of communication and facilitating shared experiences.
2.7 Both signatories agree in the interests of competition and wider gameplay that being on opposing sides in operations shall not fracture or damage this agreement unless it involves the invasion of either homeland of the other or a treatied ally.
Article 3 - Cultural and Community Cooperation
3. The South Pacific and Spiritus hereby pledge to endeavour to incorporate a joint cultural event between the communities where possible as part of the festival celebrating this document.
3.1 Both signatories should endeavour to create activities which are open to both communities as a means of creating a shared environment.
3.2 The signing of this document shall be officially commemorated by a signing ceremony between the President and Minister of Foreign Affairs of Spiritus and the Delegate and Minister of Foreign Affairs of the South Pacific.
3.3 The signatories should endeavour to collaborate on joint cultural efforts during major NationStates events to better strengthen and advance their relationship.
3.4 The signatories affirm that Lampshades are both mandatory and fashionable headwear for citizens of both regions. We further mandate that ducks are cool.
3.5 Following the passage of this document, both signatories pledge that Spiritus will only be allowed to import Lampshades from the South Pacific and that the South Pacific will only be allowed to import ducks from Spiritus.
Article 4 - Administration of Agreement
4. The South Pacific and Spiritus may choose to conclude this formal relationship at any time by giving a minimum of 14 days notice to either party via the embassy of the respective party on their forum.
4.1 This document will need to be formally repealed by the Legislatures of each signatory.
4.2 Both signatories should endeavour to seek a solution to any issues that arise before seeking an conclusion to the Accord. They pledge to resolve any differences in a peaceful and non-confrontational manner and will not threaten or force either side to adhere to their wishes.
4.3 This Treaty will come into effect once ratified by the Assembly of the South Pacific and the Regional Assembly of Spiritus following a signing ceremony as mentioned in 3.2.
4.4 This treaty shall expire 12 months (one calendar year) from ratification by both parties unless it is renewed by both signatories within that time period following a gathering to discuss the relationship and ensure there is communication between both parties.
4.5 This treaty will be considered null and void should the Coalition of the South Pacific or the Elemental Republic of Spiritus cease to exist without any named successor governments, subject to re-ratification by successor authorities as necessary.
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I don't like the re-ratification period thingy, because our politics shifts so much in twelve months, I fear we could watch the treaty pass by the wayside because of political factions changing and preventing us from reaching the necessary 60% margin,
Quote:4.4 This treaty shall expire 12 months (one calendar year) from ratification by both parties unless it is renewed by both signatories within that time period following a gathering to discuss the relationship and ensure there is communication between both parties.
I'd prefer to see the agreement a "done deal" without a re-ratification period. I like the rest of the treaty though. Lovely formatting.
I'm definitely open to removing the re-ratification period. It seemed a good reason to once every 12 months to meet up, talk about what's going on and discuss the year that's just been. It also helps keep communication open and active as well as providing a venue to discuss problems but I'm fine with removing it.
Henn, Tsu, Pen and Kris, thoughts on the above?
Two things that I don't like about the treaty:
1. Mentioning Salaxalans and Tsunamy by name. I understand why, but as a general rule I don't like having content in treaties that will eventually be outdated. Neither will remain as head of state forever, and having their names in the treaty will just be weird.
2. The twelve-month re-ratification. I understand the logic behind it, but I think treaties are meant to form long-term commitments, and subjecting it to review and potential repeal is not necessarily good for the stability of the alliance. Besides, I wonder under what criteria might the treaty be confirmed or repealed, since the benefits are not always evident, even if they are there.
One thing I am fine with, but feel is a bit lengthy, is the Clause 1 of Article 1. Maybe shortening it would be in order?
Ditto on the 4.4. And I'm with Kris about including the names. Can we just make mention toward the Charter and Spiritus' document?
-tsunamy
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The documents are already mentioned. The names are included because while this is another standard treaty for us, it is the first one Spiritus has ever signed with another region, not counting the Arnhelm Declaration. That is why I've included the names of the heads of state, because it is meant to be memorable. I would be against removing them.
I am not sure how I can shorten Article 1 without re-editing the entire article to add an extra subsection.
This style may be repeated with a draft for The Pacific-The South Pacific.
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There will already be a signing ceremony with the names of each head of state. Is including them in the text itself really necessary?
I feel it is. Foreign Affairs is one part niceties, four parts flowery language and two parts politics.
Looks good.
I already told Raven my idea for Article 3.6, but he chose to not add it in.
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The South Pacific - Spiritus Friendship Accords