Quote:but I'm kind of wondering why Unibot runs for positions and holds office if he can't commit a WA to TSP.

Because I don't need a WA to be a good government official and I can serve TSP better in office than not in office. WA status has nothing to do with how good of a government official you are. It's your qualities and integrity as a public official - something that you can't buy with a WA Nation.

(04-01-2015, 05:05 PM)Escade Wrote: The current draft being discussed:

Section 2 - Acceptance and Removal

1. Citizenship applications will be reviewed by the Vice Delegate.
2. Upon review the applicant may be either conditionally approved or denied by the Vice Delegate.
3. Upon the applicant being conditionally approved the forum administration staff will conduct a security check to ensure the applicant is not using a proxy, is not trying to avoid a forum ban, and is not a citizen using a different nation. In the event that an applicant is found to be using a proxy, attempting to avoid a forum ban, or applying for citizenship on multiple nations their application will be denied and not subject to appeal.
4. Citizenship applications submitted one week prior to the start of the election nominations period will not be processed until after the elections. In the event that a citizenship application has been submitted more then one week prior to the election nominations period but not yet processed, the current Vice Delegate may process the application during the election period.
5. In the event that an applicant is denied the reason for denial must be disclosed by the Vice Delegate. The applicant may appeal their denial to the Assembly which may reverse the denial by a 75% majority vote in favor.
6. If a Citizen no longer has a resident nation their citizenship will be removed by the Vice Delegate and the removal shall be backdated to the exact day of losing residency.
7. Citizenship may be removed by a majority vote of the Cabinet if a nation is found to be a security threat. Citizens removed for being a security threat may appeal to the Assembly which may reverse the removal by a 75% majority vote in favor. The Cabinet must submit a report to the CSS justifying the security threat removal. Citizens have the right to request this report according to the Sunshine disclosure laws.
8. If the Vice Delegate position is vacant or the citizenship application processing has been on hold for more then one week, the Cabinet must designate a member to perform the above duties.
9. The Vice Delegate must provide an up to date list of citizens at the beginning of the nominations period. The Vice Delegate and appointed Election Commissioner must submit a published and public final list of eligible voters before the election voting officially begins
10.  Citizens are to be distinguished from Citizen-Electors. Citizens may vote in the Assembly and have all other rights afforded to them except for the right to vote in elections. 


Article 2: Bill of Rights.


1. Nations that reside in The South Pacific shall be afforded all rights contemplated in this article unless otherwise noted.
2. The freedom of speech, including the freedom of expression and the press.
3. The freedom of thought, including the freedom of belief, opinion and conscience.
4. The freedom of association, including the freedom of peaceful assembly.
5. The right to equality and the freedom from the denial of participation based on arbitrary or discriminative criteria. 
6. The right to contact the government on all matters of their interest and receive a prompt and adequate response from the relevant officials.
7. The right to defend themselves in the judicial system of the Coalition of The South Pacific with all the guarantees of a speedy hearing and due process of law.
8. The right to apply for citizenship and have such an application promptly accepted, subject to requirements of citizenship, or otherwise denied under reasonable causes, with the right to an appeal to the appropriate officials.
9. The freedom to reside in the region of The South Pacific, and the right to not be ejected or banned without reasonable cause and due process of law.
10. The freedom to determine to whom their endorsements are given, subject to the duties and restrictions established in the Charter and the Code of Laws.
11. The right to vote in Assembly matters is afforded to citizens.
12. The right to vote in elections and run for office in a TSP government position is a right afforded to the Citizen-Electorate. This right is afforded by fulfilling the following requirements: 1) nations holding cumulative citizenship for four months before the start of the elections nominations period, 2) having a minimum of 25 posts on the forums, and 3) applying for Citizen-Electorate in the appropriate thread.

Todd, the 14. you added overlaps with 9. in Section 2 above so possibly they should be combined?


Glen, regarding point 6. and the backdating - can the Admins ask Asta for the scripts she mentioned or someone named Prussia? They seem to have a way to automate that process? So if it can be automated then the admins would get a message immediately?



Then, Hileville and others would point 2 or 3 be where to add who masks and by when?

Thank you

I can support the current draft, provided any change to the law of Section 2.7 do not retroactively affect previous players declared a security threat by The South Pacific.

Well when Belschaft declared a state of emergency and prevented me from legally taking the delegacy, I helped draft this which is now in the charter:

8. Within 48 hours of recovery from a State of Emergency, a report detailing the incident and the particular evidence used to justify it along with an evaluation of measures and recommendations of further actions to be taken by the Assembly, Cabinet and/or Judiciary should be submitted to the Assembly, which includes but is not limited to: recall motions, charges to be filed and grants of amnesty.

He never had to write a report so its not retroactive. It's future active.

Something like that for security threat declarations would be a good idea but its a different topic or section of the charter so it should have its own thread.

@Escade: The issue I brought up isn't about the difficulty of figuring out the exact date somebody was *qualified* to lose citizenship. The issue is what we do about their voting activities and everything else they've done as a citizen between that time and when their citizenship is actually removed. By "backdating," you're implying that any Assembly votes, for example, need to be struck null and void, which could end up causing the entire law itself to be declared invalid. That's a kind of chaos I really don't want in our books.

How would you reword it?

Should I put "immediately" instead?

I think the way we do it now works just fine. Citizenship is removed when the VD (or whoever) conducts a check and notices that a citizen no longer maintains residency.

The current draft being discussed:

(04-01-2015, 05:05 PM)Escade Wrote: Section 2 - Acceptance and Removal

1. Citizenship applications will be reviewed by the Vice Delegate.
2. Upon review the applicant may be either conditionally approved or denied by the Vice Delegate.
3. Upon the applicant being conditionally approved the forum administration staff will conduct a security check to ensure the applicant is not using a proxy, is not trying to avoid a forum ban, and is not a citizen using a different nation. In the event that an applicant is found to be using a proxy, attempting to avoid a forum ban, or applying for citizenship on multiple nations their application will be denied and not subject to appeal.
4. Citizenship applications submitted one week prior to the start of the election nominations period will not be processed until after the elections. In the event that a citizenship application has been submitted more then one week prior to the election nominations period but not yet processed, the current Vice Delegate may process the application during the election period.
5. In the event that an applicant is denied the reason for denial must be disclosed by the Vice Delegate. The applicant may appeal their denial to the Assembly which may reverse the denial by a 75% majority vote in favor.
6. If a Citizen no longer has a resident nation their citizenship will be removed by the Vice Delegate during the monthly check.
7. Citizenship may be removed by a majority vote of the Cabinet if a nation is found to be a security threat. Citizens removed for being a security threat may appeal to the Assembly which may reverse the removal by a 75% majority vote in favor. The Cabinet must submit a report to the CSS justifying the security threat removal. Citizens have the right to request this report according to the Sunshine disclosure laws.
8. If the Vice Delegate position is vacant or the citizenship application processing has been on hold for more then one week, the Cabinet must designate a member to perform the above duties.
9. The Vice Delegate must provide an up to date list of citizens at the beginning of the nominations period. The Vice Delegate and appointed Election Commissioner must submit a published and public final list of eligible voters before the election voting officially begins
10.  Citizens are to be distinguished from Citizen-Electors. Citizens may vote in the Assembly and have all other rights afforded to them except for the right to vote in elections. 


Article 2: Bill of Rights.


1. Nations that reside in The South Pacific shall be afforded all rights contemplated in this article unless otherwise noted.
2. The freedom of speech, including the freedom of expression and the press.
3. The freedom of thought, including the freedom of belief, opinion and conscience.
4. The freedom of association, including the freedom of peaceful assembly.
5. The right to equality and the freedom from the denial of participation based on arbitrary or discriminative criteria. 
6. The right to contact the government on all matters of their interest and receive a prompt and adequate response from the relevant officials.
7. The right to defend themselves in the judicial system of the Coalition of The South Pacific with all the guarantees of a speedy hearing and due process of law.
8. The right to apply for citizenship and have such an application promptly accepted, subject to requirements of citizenship, or otherwise denied under reasonable causes, with the right to an appeal to the appropriate officials.
9. The freedom to reside in the region of The South Pacific, and the right to not be ejected or banned without reasonable cause and due process of law.
10. The freedom to determine to whom their endorsements are given, subject to the duties and restrictions established in the Charter and the Code of Laws.
11. The right to vote in Assembly matters is afforded to citizens.
12. The right to vote in elections and run for office in a TSP government position is a right afforded to the Citizen-Electorate. This right is afforded by fulfilling the following requirements: 1) nations holding cumulative citizenship for four months before the start of the elections nominations period, 2) having a minimum of 25 posts on the forums, and 3) applying for Citizen-Electorate in the appropriate thread.

Todd, the 14. you added overlaps with 9. in Section 2 above so possibly they should be combined?


Waiting on Court decisions to update who does the masking

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Actually if we are going to move to a Citizenship Council then there are several other changes that need to be made. The VD will not be doing anything with Citizenship. The admins would mask when told by the Council that everything is good to go.

I'd actually like to see the process reversed. Admin performs check on forum for proxies etc. then Citizenship Council processes app.

EDIT: Also lets go ahead and add the ex post facto clause in this draft.

(04-01-2015, 10:49 PM)Hileville Wrote: I'd actually like to see the process reversed. Admin performs check on forum for proxies etc. then Citizenship Council processes app.

Good idea. No need to bother discussing someone if they're a known security threat IP or using a proxy.