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**Amerion** · 01-10-2019, 10:16 AM

(01-10-2019, 09:52 AM)Roavin Wrote: I would change the language to allow the Chair to archive any thread that has been inactive for more than a month, rather than force.

So, something like this?

Quote:(5) Any bill, resolution or amendment which has been inactive for more than one month may be considered defunct and archived by the Chair.

***Roavin*** · 01-10-2019, 03:18 PM

Yup.

Note, the current language also mandates that a passed bill's debate thread remains unarchived for a month. I think that's okay, though.

**Rebeltopia** · 01-10-2019, 03:33 PM

If we're really going to go through with this, can we label this clause #6? It really shouldnt go above the competing bills language, and should really be at the end of the act...

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Bzerneleg · 01-12-2019, 12:17 AM

(01-10-2019, 09:52 AM)Roavin Wrote: I would change the language to allow the Chair to archive any thread that has been inactive for more than a month, rather than force.

Maybe you would agree to this draft:

Quote:(5) Any bill, resolution or amendment which has been inactive for more than one month shall be considered defunct and archived, unless directed otherwise by the Chair.

Any bill that is defunct, I believe, should also be archived. If it is no longer debated, it belongs in the archive and not the Assembly floor. But nevertheless, the Chair is given the power to not declare bills defunct if they deem it necessary. Then, they'd have to document their use of documentary powers under Section 3, Article 2 of the Legislative Procedure Act.

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Bzerneleg · 01-12-2019, 12:32 AM

(01-10-2019, 10:16 AM)Amerion Wrote:
(01-10-2019, 09:52 AM)Roavin Wrote: I would change the language to allow the Chair to archive any thread that has been inactive for more than a month, rather than force.

So, something like this?

Quote:(5) Any bill, resolution or amendment which has been inactive for more than one month may be considered defunct and archived by the Chair.

However, it doesn't make it an official part of the Chair's duty. Some chairs may choose to do it and some my not. Eventually this will make the amendment die out until a Chair decides to do it again.

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Bzerneleg · 01-12-2019, 01:42 AM

(01-10-2019, 03:33 PM)Rebeltopia Wrote: If we're really going to go through with this, can we label this clause #6? It really shouldnt go above the competing bills language, and should really be at the end of the act...

I agree.

Quote:(6) Any bill, resolution or amendment which has been inactive for more than one month shall be considered defunct and archived, unless directed otherwise by the Chair.

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**Seraph** · 01-12-2019, 02:21 AM

(01-12-2019, 01:42 AM)palaisbellevuebz Wrote:
(01-10-2019, 03:33 PM)Rebeltopia Wrote: If we're really going to go through with this, can we label this clause #6? It really shouldnt go above the competing bills language, and should really be at the end of the act...

I agree.

Quote:(6) Any bill, resolution or amendment which has been inactive for more than one month shall be considered defunct and archived, unless directed otherwise by the Chair.

I prefer making this a discretionary thing, as Amerion suggested, but if we eik with your draft, i think it should be 'shall be considered defunct and must be archived' to achieve what you want it to.

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Bzerneleg · 01-12-2019, 11:05 AM

(01-12-2019, 02:21 AM)Seraph Wrote:
(01-12-2019, 01:42 AM)palaisbellevuebz Wrote:
(01-10-2019, 03:33 PM)Rebeltopia Wrote: If we're really going to go through with this, can we label this clause #6? It really shouldnt go above the competing bills language, and should really be at the end of the act...

I agree.

Quote:(6) Any bill, resolution or amendment which has been inactive for more than one month shall be considered defunct and archived, unless directed otherwise by the Chair.

I prefer making this a discretionary thing, as Amerion suggested, but if we eik with your draft, i think it should be 'shall be considered defunct and must be archived' to achieve what you want it to.

Though I'm still leaning on the other side of giving the Chair discretionary powers on deci, I still welcome other Legislators who would be able to persuade me on that.

I also want to thank Roavin for reminding us on the loopholes and I think it would be a good idea to include it into the amendment. Although you may notice Section 2, Article 2 of the Legislative Procedure Act which covers the topic of the legislative history of enacted laws, however it doesn't mandate the Chair or any other competent authorities to archive it, that is why I've added Section 7. One example would be the debate thread of the Law Standards Act which is still technically on the Assembly floor and should've been archived a long time ago.

Quote:(6) Any bill, resolution or amendment which has been inactive for more than one month shall be considered defunct and archived, unless directed otherwise by the Chair.

(7) Should any bill, resolution or amendment become law, itself, along with its debate thread and voting results, shall be archived.

2. Powers and Responsibilities of the Chair

(1) The Chair is responsible for creating voting threads and recording votes. In the event that the Chair does not perform these duties in a reasonable time frame, any legislator their deputy may create voting threads and record votes.

One thing that I've recently found out and wanted to fix now that I have the opportunity to do so is to make a tiny change to Section 1, Article 2. That is because leaving administrative work to the Chair and their deputies is the best option and letting legislators do it themselves would often create unwanted inconsistencies that will turn everything into a big mess. Though I know it's very rare for something like that to happen, we should still be closing loopholes in our laws in order to make it better and more functional.

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The Sakhalinsk Empire · 01-12-2019, 11:47 AM

(01-12-2019, 11:05 AM)palaisbellevuebz Wrote:
(01-12-2019, 02:21 AM)Seraph Wrote:
(01-12-2019, 01:42 AM)palaisbellevuebz Wrote:
(01-10-2019, 03:33 PM)Rebeltopia Wrote: If we're really going to go through with this, can we label this clause #6? It really shouldnt go above the competing bills language, and should really be at the end of the act...

I agree.

Quote:(6) Any bill, resolution or amendment which has been inactive for more than one month shall be considered defunct and archived, unless directed otherwise by the Chair.

I prefer making this a discretionary thing, as Amerion suggested, but if we eik with your draft, i think it should be 'shall be considered defunct and must be archived' to achieve what you want it to.

Though I'm still leaning on the other side of giving the Chair discretionary powers on deci, I still welcome other Legislators who would be able to persuade me on that.

I also want to thank Roavin for reminding us on the loopholes and I think it would be a good idea to include it into the amendment. Although you may notice Section 2, Article 2 of the Legislative Procedure Act which covers the topic of the legislative history of enacted laws, however it doesn't mandate the Chair or any other competent authorities to archive it, that is why I've added Section 7. One example would be the debate thread of the Law Standards Act which is still technically on the Assembly floor and should've been archived a long time ago.

Quote:(6) Any bill, resolution or amendment which has been inactive for more than one month shall be considered defunct and archived, unless directed otherwise by the Chair.

(7) Should any bill, resolution or amendment become law, itself, along with its debate thread and voting results, shall be archived.2. Powers and Responsibilities of the Chair

(1) The Chair is responsible for creating voting threads and recording votes. In the event that the Chair does not perform these duties in a reasonable time frame, any legislator their deputy may create voting threads and record votes.

One thing that I've recently found out and wanted to fix now that I have the opportunity to do so is to make a tiny change to Section 1, Article 2. That is because leaving administrative work to the Chair and their deputies is the best option and letting legislators do it themselves would often create unwanted inconsistencies that will turn everything into a big mess. Though I know it's very rare for something like that to happen, we should still be closing loopholes in our laws in order to make it better and more functional.

The wording in Clause 7, while technically grammatically correct, feels awkward to say. This is my proposal:

Legislative Procedure Act Wrote:(7) Should any bill, resolution or amendment become law, the document itself, its debate thread, and its voting thread shall all be archived.

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**Belschaft** · 01-12-2019, 12:05 PM

Considering that the Chair doesn't have to have a deputy - and many have chosen not to - it is necessary to allow Legislators to act "as" Chair in their absence, even if only to initiate a recall vote.

It's not a loophole.

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Also, the Chair can't "direct" themselves to do something; that's a logical absurdity and clumsy writing. If the Chair is to be given discretionary powers to choose whether or not to do something then the law should be written in language which clearly expresses that.

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