Welcome to this thread, which will create some basic history of multiple nations in our canon. The goal of this thread is to streamline some aspects of the history of nations located in North-West Cordilia (here also referred to as "Frastinia").

What this thread is not supposed to be – at least not right from the start – is a place for discussion of immensely detailed bilateral history or cultural roleplay. Instead I’d like to gather some information here on following topics:

- migration routes of modern humans to Frastinia, time of the first human settlements in the region
- foundation of the Frastinian nations
- era of colonialism (who colonized, who was colonized, who owned what?)
- participation in the Great War and its effects it had on Frastinia
- how history has affected parts of the region’s culture
- various other, general stuff we might come across during our discussions

We are partially limited by what has already been defined in Bruuman history, Erinoran history and whatever we have agreed on in private, mainly in regards of the Great War (the people involved in this know about it already). Apart from that, we have the creative freedom to shape the basic history of our region still, which then can help in writing our bilateral histories and to some extent in doing cultural worldbuilding.

I’ve created some maps filled with details about our region, that I researched on the Wiki, on the forum, in chats between us and from what I’ve invented. I hope, that our discussions will eventually lead to me editing the maps in such a way, that they are fully comprehensive and give a full overview over our regional history. Some maps, e.g. a map centered around resources in our region or one focusing on international infrastructure, do not exist yet, but maybe we can decide on such things later too and add such maps to the collection below.


Topographic Map of Frastinia


Tectonics and Climate of Frastinia - Info on the symbolism of the tectonics - Light Blue = Aw, Dark Blue = Af on Köppen-Geiger-Scale


Languages in Frastinia


Migration routes of modern humans in Frastinia


Foundation years of Frastinian states


Frastinia during the colonial era (late 1400s - early 1900s) [Areas marked as "controlled by" haven't been fully controlled by those nations for the entirety of the era]


Frastinia during the Great War (1949 - 1954)

I hope, that those maps provide the necessary impulse for a discussion on the aforementioned topics. Again, this is about formulating an outline of Frastinian history, which can be filled with way more details through bilateral discussions or unilateral worldbuilding later.

To this thread, I’d like to mainly invite @Tin the Free, @Besern, @GeorgeMoody, @Eflad and @VPRB to participate. @The Solar System Scope, @Seraph, @Klô and @Imperial Frost Federation will be tagged by me, in case they’d like to follow the discussion, when they have time.

Other roleplayers than those that are mentioned above may chime in, whenever a historic aspect touches on their history, but it’s currently not planned, that we discuss anything here, that effects other players much.

With all that said: Let's get this thing going!

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Gianluca IV
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First of all, just wanna say awesome work with the graphic. Clean, slick, easy to understand, accurate.

Now to business.
In my history that I have done so far, the earliest disocered remains were close to Selpe, but it is possible to find older remains at around Tehnograd or Cræfoi and or Reræ which date back to ~16 000BC and follow the trail, as the first arrival in the Eronian Basin was at ~15 000BC. As for the settlement at Selpe, we could say people came from TSSS or Lesser GI-Land.

As for the foundation: 1840 is the foundation of the Republic of Eflad, before that a civil war was underway for a couple of years. Before that there was a Federation in Fredoast.

Eflad doesn't currently have any role in the Great War, I'm not quite read in on what happened (will read the wiki), but the effect would be that in the preamble of the Constitution (which I'm working on) it says Eflad commits itself to world peace and that it follows an agenda of diplomacy, seeing war as the last possible resort to which it should never come.

That would be my take on this for now.

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Thanks for the compliment on the maps

Now on to the answer or my questions

1) I note that, however I should say - also for the others in the future - that the depicted paths are only rough indications. In your case e.g., the path would probably go more alongside the coast than I've drawn it there. Why? Look at the elevation at where the path is "supposed" to go ^^ Still it wouldn't outrule remains of modern humans near Tehnograd, Craefoi or somewhere else in Southern Central Eflad, so it's no objection to your idea from my side, but more like a sidenote.

2) Is the "Fredoast Federation" the legal successor of the (entire) Republic of Eflad? If so, I can put another foundation year.
Here also a sidenote: "Foundation year" generally refers to "1st state, that covered the whole area of a country" (exception: big minorities like the Atlantics or Serevans) / the first legal "version" of today's country. In GI-Land's case it would've been the Gianlucian Kingdom from 1305, which reformed into the Gianlucian Empire during the colonial era, the Frankist Empire during Frankism (roughly the same as nazism) and then into the Republic of Gianlucaland, which later incorporated the Kingdom of Atlantis to become GI-Land. If GI-Land wouldn't have the legal status of being the successor of the Republic of GI-Land and Kingdom of Atlantis, I would've marked my entire territory as "founded in 2011".

3) You unfortunately won't find much on the Wiki yet in regards to the Great War in North-West Cordilia, which is why I tell you about it here
In 1935 the Gianlucian Empire was taken over by dictator Meinhard Frank and his party, who had the goal to unite all Catzyan people again and have enough living space for his populace (compare it to Hitler's theory about Aryan people and the Lebensraum ideology). When the Great War started, he first knocked out Atlantis and Snolland, occupying them in the process (a move on to Puerto Pollo could still be possible, but is currently under debate; a move to Bruuma or Erinor is outruled due to their neutralities, however GI-Land might have supported a side in the Bruuman Civil War). This happened pretty fast (--> blitzkrieg), which is why he was able to turn around and take over TSSS, Holy Free, Anserisa, parts of Besern and Transsuneria (maybe a little more, some skirmishes, especially over in Bailtem, are still under discussion) in an astonishing speed too, only needing to give up his colony on Bailtem, Hazelbrust, relatively early.
In Holy Free and Anserisa he established puppet administrations. In the Sea of Frost he has had naval battles against the Frost Empire, who felt more than threatened by Gianlucian advances. Besern was the first country, also due to the stretching of supply lines on the Gianlucian side, which was able to resist against the Gianlucian army. Frank answered to that and the fact, that he thought the Besernian population needed to be cleansed of bad blood, certain Besernian tribes brought in, when they took over Gianlucian colonial holdings in the 1600s, by building extermination camps for non-Catzyan Besernians. Soldiers from Holy Free were helping Frank with his crimes against humanity against the Besernians, albeit for other reasons. Eventually Besern was able to start an offensive and fight back the Gianlucians into Holy Free, where they met Frost troops, that came from the North to fight back the Gianlucians. Together they invaded more of the Frankist held territory (possible 2nd invasion on Snolland/Atlantis to make it a two-front war?) until they were close to the original Frankist borders. At the "right time", Frank was toppled by the former monarch family again. Queen Charlotte has proclaimed the Republic of Gianlucaland and signed the Gianlucian capitulation, which led to heavy territorial losses, mainly what is now Greater GI-Land on the Hazle Isle and parts of TSSS, that belonged to the Gianlucian Empire prior to the GW.

Which role could Eflad have played, considering your anti-war sentiment nowadays? Most likely they could've been on the imperialist side too. Either in the Holy Free/Anserisa model with a Frankist puppet government or as an actual second imperialist nation in the Cordilian theatre (maybe similar role as Italy?) or even just as a neutral nation, which supported the Frankists though. Advantage for the imperialists, when Eflad joins: Two-front war in Besern. Maybe, if Berusturg would be up for it, (quicker) inclusion of Berusturg on the imperialist side, more possibilities to include more "victims" of the North-West Cordilian GW by having Eflad invade nations East and South-East of them. Disadvantages: Could've Besern actually fought off two nations at once? Maybe, if Eflad was Italy-like, but wouldn't have Frank then send support to crush Besern better? Who would've fought back Eflad? Besern alone, if they've already been busy fending off the Gianlucians and Freeans? Maybe Ryccia? But they were pretty much all focused on the main theatre of the Great War in Central and South Cordilia and Crabry. You see, there are quite a few follow-up questions, that arise for me there ^^

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Gianluca IV
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Aurora Markatt (Maura)

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Hey There, I know, I'm not apart of this region, but, I want to discuss something about New Colradia and the Great War.

So, I envision New Colradia being invaded in 1952 for resources and the Islands strong industrial capabilities(Along with the Colonial Fleet).

Gi-Land would hold the Islands until 1954 when Task Force Gamma along with the 3rd Fleet and some allied effort liberate the Islands.

Does this sound good? or no.

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1) Do you mean the mountains at Berusturg? If so, those could have hindered people to cross to Eflad. However, they could have passed at the spring of the Sais river (Holy Free) where the moutain pass isn't as long. Then a descend into Berusturg and Eflad by the coast, at Wayersch, Bers, and in close proximity to Reræ.

2) Do you mean predecesor? If so, then partly. The territotry of the Fredoast Federation did span to what today is Eflad, yet the region past Krœfed was mainly self controlled as the Federal Government couldn't controll it quite well. What today is Sweori was mostly independent and was basically behaving like the north states of the US just before the Civil War. Because of that most of the soliders of the ENA came from the Tehnograd region. I haven't really come up more than this at this time, but that is why this thread is here, to expand our history.

3) I read the wiki in the meantime and yeah it doesn't say much. A imperialist role could be possible and plausible. Maybe there could be a scenario like what happened to Yugoslavia in WWII. First they resisted then they were crushed, puppet states [say at the Region of Sweori and going all down to Tehnograd (Lorgder)] except Fredoast which could possibly have secretly been funded by Erinor & Sereva (taking the role of US and GB). Furthermore, there could have been partisans fighting against the puppet government with support from Besern (taking the role of USSR).

Republic of Eflad

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1) Nope, I meant the mountains South of Selpe and Tehnograd. Those are pretty steep inclines and there the people probably would've moved across the Efladian coast. Of course to arrive in Berusturg from the North, they'd also find the best footpath through the montains at the current Holy-Free-Berusturgian border, but that wasn't, what I referred to Which doesn't mean, we can't take your proposal for that part of the route into account, because we probably will, if necessary ^^

2) Countries have legal successors often. E.g. the Weimar Republic was afaik the legal successor of the German Empire. Serbia is mostly considered the legal successor of Yugoslavia. Russia the legal successor of the Soviet Union, etc.
The way you described it, I'm inclined to say, that the Fredoast Federation was indeed a legal predecessor to Eflad. If you come up with any more predecessors, let us know so we can change the foundation year on the map to the year, where the first Efladian state was founded

3) That doesn't sound like a bad idea and would also explain, why we couldn't move into Besern from Eflad. The progress just halted and the puppet government's territory simply never reached the Eflad-Besernian border. The involvement of Erinor....I'd need to check back with the Erinoran history and what Seraph wrote about foreign politics of Erinor before the 2010s, because it might be they were simply like Spain a very neutral country. However it would be plausible, that they funded the Efladian resistance in order to not become victims of the war themselves.
Besern: What do you think of Eflad's idea?

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1) Ah okay, yeah. Now I get it. Then it is how you described it, they went along the coast to Erinor.

2) Alrighty, I'll think of the founding dates and get back to you.

3) Glad you like the idea!

Republic of Eflad

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Hey There, I know, I'm not apart of this region, but, I want to discuss something about New Colradia and the Great War.

So, I envision New Colradia being invaded in 1952 for resources and the Islands strong industrial capabilities(Along with the Colonial Fleet).

Gi-Land would hold the Islands until 1954 when Task Force Gamma along with the 3rd Fleet and some allied effort liberate the Islands.

Does this sound good? or no.

Alright, I promised to come back to you
I now looked at where New Colradia is located and generally it wouldn't be impossible for the Frankists to have moved up there. However 1952 is when Frost starts to land troops against GI-Land in the Rainbow Islands (Anserisa or however far North we came) and fight us down South.
The offensive to gain territory in the RI is supposed to take place and be finished in 1950. Also we'd need to skip or take over Winston Island too, for which I'd need the approval of Jay. I look, if that's possible. Would you also be okay with a occupation of New Colradia between 1950 and 1952?

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Gianluca IV
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Pacifica GI-Land, Snolland (Hazelbrust), Guardian of the World Forum, IUFA-FWC/WFWC- and Pacivision Supervisor • 
Aurora Markatt (Maura)

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Hey There, I know, I'm not apart of this region, but, I want to discuss something about New Colradia and the Great War.

So, I envision New Colradia being invaded in 1952 for resources and the Islands strong industrial capabilities(Along with the Colonial Fleet).

Gi-Land would hold the Islands until 1954 when Task Force Gamma along with the 3rd Fleet and some allied effort liberate the Islands.

Does this sound good? or no.

Alright, I promised to come back to you
I now looked at where New Colradia is located and generally it wouldn't be impossible for the Frankists to have moved up there. However 1952 is when Frost starts to land troops against GI-Land in the Rainbow Islands (Anserisa or however far North we came) and fight us down South.
The offensive to gain territory in the RI is supposed to take place and be finished in 1950. Also we'd need to skip or take over Winston Island too, for which I'd need the approval of Jay. I look, if that's possible. Would you also be okay with a occupation of New Colradia between 1950 and 1952?

That would be fine. Also the defenses of new Colradia would be pretty much non existent due to poor training and using outdated equipment. So the actual invasion would last about a month.

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Alrigthy, after thinking about it a little bit, here's what I have concluded:

(1) The Fredoast Federation is the legal predecesor of the Republic of Eflad. It was founded in 1355. Then 485 years of enslavement and discrimination of the native happened resulting in the Civil War which consequently resulted in the founding of the Republic of Eflad.

(2) Because Eflad was puppet state of the Frankists in the Great War, which was around 1940 and officialy lasted to the end of the war untill they were defeated by the partisans, which resulted in a new constitution. Does this mean that a new state was created as a legal successor or that the Republic of Eflad continued to exist? The government could have moved somewhere so that the RoE continued to exist just conquered and then after the war, they returned and built the country back up.

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