I am very much against the voting changes and will vote no on any attempt to change them.
Apad
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Actually by my count 7-8 people have spoken against the rise in voting percentages or asked for a compromise percentage in the relevant thread here ( http://thesouthpacific.x10.mx/thread-2522-page-8.html).
Why are you trying to conflate two separate threads? Why are you ignoring actual facts that can be pointed to in a thread where several people have been discussing the issue and 7-8 have clearly been against or trying for a compromise?
It doesn't behoove confidence or faith in a person when they try to call 7-8 attempting to discuss and come to some sort of compromise on an issue as two people shouting. That's the kind of purposeful demeaning and disregard of citizens that is appalling.
Trying to use one amendment that is close to reaching full support to push issues from another proposed change is not a great tactic.
I've said this before, want people to listen to you or at least work with you? Try working with them whether privately or publicly in a way that doesn't degrade them.
I'll redraft it below without the irksome sneaky changes.
Escade
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Kris, can you double check please? Thank you.
Quote:Section 2 - Acceptance and Removal
1. Citizenship applications will be reviewed by the Citizenship Council.
2. Applicants may not use a proxy, may not attempt to avoid a forum ban, may not apply for Citizenship with multiple nations. In the event that an applicant is found to be in violation of any of the above their application will be denied and not subject to an appeal.
3. The Citizenship Council will decide whether to admit or deny the application. In the event that an applicant is denied the reason for denial must be disclosed by the Citizenship Council. The applicant may appeal their denial to the Assembly which may reverse the denial by a 75% majority vote in favor.
4. If a Citizen no longer has a resident nation their citizenship will be removed by the Citizenship Council during the next monthly check.
5. The Cabinet may remove Citizenship from a nation who is found to be a Security Threat, preferably upon the recommendation of the Committee for State Security. Citizens removed for being a Security Threat may appeal their removal to the Assembly which may reverse the removal by a 75% majority vote in favor.
6. The CSS may, on behalf of the Citizenship Council, undertake an investigation into nations who have been denied citizenship or declared a security risk and report their finding to the Assembly.
7. Citizens will be removed for not accumulating 2 posts per month. The Citizenship Council will perform an activity check during the first week of each month and determine who did not meet the activity requirement in the previous calendar month. Citizens may be awarded a Leave of Absence from the Citizenship Council in which case this requirement will be lifted for the duration of the leave.
Section 3 - Citizenship Council
1. The Citizenship Council will be comprised of 3 members.
2. 1 member will be appointed by the Delegate, 1 member from the Committee for State Security will be appointed by said Committee, and 1 will be a member of the Forum Administration Staff appointed by said Administration Staff. All members must be approved by a 66% majority vote of the Assembly in favor.
3. Members of the Citizenship Council serve for a one year period unless they resign, are recalled, and/or they no longer hold Citizenship. Each year members of the Council may be changed following the appointment process as outlined.
4. The Citizenship Council is responsible for maintaining a list of all Citizens.
Section 1 - Assembly and Powers of the Assembly
1. The Assembly is comprised of all Citizens of The Coalition.
2. The Assembly shall constitute the sole legislative body in The Coalition.
3. The Assembly is responsible for the drafting and discussion of General Laws, and Amendments to the Charter and Code of Laws.
4. The Assembly may pass and amend a Law with a vote resulting in 50% + 1 in favor.
5. The Assembly may amend the Charter with a vote resulting in a 75% majority in favor.
6. The Assembly has the sole power to declare a state of war exists with another region or organization.
7. The Assembly has the sole power to pass a treaty with another region or organization.
8. The Assembly may override the denial or Cabinet removal of citizenship upon the affected nation appealing and a vote resulting in a 75% majority in favor.
9. Declarations of War and Treaties require a 66% majority in favor to be enacted or repealed.
10. Proposed legislation may be moved to a vote by the Chair of the Assembly after a Motion and a Second to vote is lodged.
11. The voting period will last three days for all General Laws and five days for Amendments to the Charter.
Escade
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This would be a bill without the changed percentages, and, for the sake of transparency, three changes of my own in red colour:
Quote:Section 2 - Acceptance and Removal
1. Citizenship applications will be reviewed by the Citizenship Council.
2. Applicants may not use a proxy, may not attempt to avoid a forum ban, may not apply for Citizenship with multiple nations. In the event that an applicant is found to be in violation of any of the above their application will be denied and not subject to an appeal.
3. The Citizenship Council will decide whether to admit or deny the application. In the event that an applicant is denied the reason for denial must be disclosed by the Citizenship Council. The applicant may appeal their denial to the Assembly which may reverse the denial by a 75% majority vote in favor.
4. If a Citizen no longer has a resident nation their citizenship will be removed by the Citizenship Council during the next monthly check.
5. The Cabinet may remove Citizenship from a nation who is found to be a Security Threat, preferably upon the recommendation of the Committee for State Security. Citizens removed for being a Security Threat may appeal their removal to the Assembly which may reverse the removal by a 75% majority vote in favor.
6. The CSS may, on behalf of the Citizenship Council, undertake an investigation into nations who have been denied citizenship or declared a security risk and report their finding to the Assembly.
7. Citizens will be removed for not accumulating 2 posts per month. The Citizenship Council will perform an activity check during the first week of each month and determine who did not meet the activity requirement in the previous calendar month. Citizens may be awarded a Leave of Absence from the Citizenship Council in which case this requirement will be lifted for the duration of the leave.
Section 3 - Citizenship Council
1. The Citizenship Council will be comprised of 3 citizens.
2. 1 member will be appointed by the Delegate, 1 member from the Committee for State Security will be appointed by said Committee, and 1 will be a member of the Forum Administration Staff appointed by said Administration Staff. All members must be approved by a 50% + 1 [I made it 50% + 1, like General Corps appointments] majority vote of the Assembly in favor.
3. Members of the Citizenship Council serve for a one year period unless they resign, are recalled, and/or they no longer hold Citizenship. Each year members of the Council may be changed following the appointment process as outlined.
4. The Citizenship Council is responsible for maintaining a publicly accessible list of all Citizens.
Section 1 - Assembly and Powers of the Assembly
1. The Assembly is comprised of all Citizens of The Coalition.
2. The Assembly shall constitute the sole legislative body in The Coalition.
3. The Assembly is responsible for the drafting and discussion of General Laws, and Amendments to the Charter and Code of Laws.
4. The Assembly may pass and amend a Law with a vote resulting in 50% + 1 in favor.
5. The Assembly may amend the Charter with a vote resulting in a 75% majority in favor.
6. The Assembly has the sole power to declare a state of war exists with another region or organization.
7. The Assembly has the sole power to pass a treaty with another region or organization.
8. The Assembly may override the denial or Cabinet removal of citizenship upon the affected nation appealing and a vote resulting in a 75% majority in favor.
9. Declarations of War and Treaties require a 60% majority in favor to be enacted or repealed.
10. Proposed legislation may be moved to a vote by the Chair of the Assembly after a Motion and a Second to vote is lodged.
11. The voting period will last three days for all General Laws and five days for Amendments to the Charter.
That makes senses, and I approve of the change. 
I do hope that Farengeto follows up on Aram's plan to look over the charter and code of laws piece by piece and make sure we're consistent.
Escade
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I will not be supporting a 50% +1 margin.
Which 50% + 1 margin?
Escade
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I could happily support Kris's proposed changes.
(05-29-2015, 04:17 AM)Hopolis Wrote: I could happily support Kris's proposed changes.
As do I.
Apad
King of Haldilwe
(05-29-2015, 12:04 AM)Escade Wrote: Which 50% + 1 margin?
The approval for members of the Council. I'd support the bill as written with a change to a 60% approval for members.
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