The administration of drafting, debate, and passage of legislation, to me, encompasses the authority to correct obvious mistakes in legislation.

That's a facetious and absurd definition. "Passage of legislation" cannot possibly be interpreted to give authority to alter laws after they have passed.

You knew that what you were doing was illegal and you didn't give a shit.

You're right that I didn't care what the procedural law was on fixing obvious typos. You're wrong that I believed it was illegal.

This is the dumbest discussion we have ever had in this region. The notion that we need to statutorily authorize the Chair to fix typos is overlegislating. It's micromanaging the position of Chair of the Assembly.

I don't support amending the Charter, because it's absolutely unnecessary. It sets a terrible precedent. Every time any Cabinet minister does anything not explicitly authorized by law, we'll have people like Belschaft demanding their heads. That's a road we don't need to go down.

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I agree, but, if we're gonna put it to a vote, I say we do it sooner rather than later. C'mon. Let's pull this band aid.

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Section 2 - Chair of the Assembly and Duties of the Chair.
1. The Assembly will elect a Chair which will be responsible for the administration of all aspects of the drafting, debate, and passage of legislation.
2. The Chair of the Assembly will serve on the Cabinet and act as the Legislative Liaison between the Cabinet and Assembly.
3. The Chair of the Assembly has authority to make alterations to spelling and numbering errors in the Charter, Code of Laws and subsidiary documents, having notified the Assembly prior to any change in a log viewable to all Citizens. A three day period for objections must be observed before any changes are made, in which time any Citizen may object. Should an objection be lodged then the Chair may not make the alteration.
4. The Chair will serve a term lasting four months.
5. Procedures for the election of the Chair must be defined in Code of Laws.

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Seconded.

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I'll move this to a vote since it was motioned and seconded -- but, I'll go on the record to say this is ridiculous, bloated and unneeded.

Edit: Now up for a vote.

(This post was last modified: 05-01-2014, 08:37 PM by Admin.)

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I'll move this to a vote since it was motioned and seconded -- but, I'll go on the record to say this is ridiculous, bloated and unneeded.

Duly noted.

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We don't havta pass every piece of legislation that goes to a vote.

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We don't havta pass every piece of legislation that goes to a vote.

Agreed. Hence why this is up for a vote.

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For the record, the High Court has issued its opinion on the legal question I submitted: http://thesouthpacific.x10.mx/showthread...9#pid10679

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(This post was last modified: 05-09-2014, 02:40 AM by sandaoguo.)

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How the Court reached the conclusion that the Chair cannot even fix typos once the legislation is being voted on -- which has happened several times -- is a mystery to me. It's not supported by the Charter or the Code of Laws, nor their own logic. Passage of legislative clearly includes the time frame of voting on legislation, which the Chair has complete and unquestionable authority over within our Charter. It's a terribly flawed decision that unnecessarily cripples the Chair from doing such a simple duty of fixes typos. Absolutely ridiculous. How does this help the region at all?

The current heavy-handed amendment also failed at vote two days ago. So our Chair has zero power to ensure our Charter, Code of Laws, and subsidiary documents do not look like rushed high school writing assignments. We are forced to amend the Charter to give our Chair common sense authority. I propose the following simple amendment, which gets rid of the unnecessary and counterproductive bureaucracy of Belschaft's:

Section 2 - Chair of the Assembly and Duties of the Chair.
X. The Chair of the Assembly has authority to maintain the Charter, Code of Laws, and all subsidiary documents, ensuring that all laws comport with proper standards and formatting.

(This post was last modified: 05-09-2014, 12:34 PM by Tsunamy.)

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