You can't remove the block vote, however flawed it may be, without a replacement. We can't reduce what little say regional WA members have in how their region is governed.

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You can't remove the block vote, however flawed it may be, without a replacement. We can't reduce what little say regional WA members have in how their region is governed.

And even if you don't agree with or care about this, there is the practical argument: Game-side isn't going to let us remove the block vote without a replacement. They will be voting on it too.

That said, if anyone wants to attempt to just remove the block vote with no compromise, feel free to offer competing legislation. I will not be amending my legislation to do that, because I am 110% sure such legislation would fail game-side.

(This post was last modified: 03-26-2017, 03:25 PM by Cormac.)

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Can we run a non-binding poll on the gameside that asks the WA regions about this? That way we can say "Hey we'd like to remove the block vote because of the following reasons and instead give you more options for stronger self-governance. Here are some options, please also discuss any ideas you have on the RMB"

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Can we run a non-binding poll on the gameside that asks the WA regions about this?  That way we can say "Hey we'd like to remove the block vote because of the following reasons and instead give you more options for stronger self-governance. Here are some options, please also discuss any ideas you have on the RMB"

What would the poll options even be? This also isn't really about "stronger self-governance." That's what the Local Council exists to do. The block vote is about game-side participation in regional government.

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Can we run a non-binding poll on the gameside that asks the WA regions about this?  That way we can say "Hey we'd like to remove the block vote because of the following reasons and instead give you more options for stronger self-governance. Here are some options, please also discuss any ideas you have on the RMB"

These polls have been done, and they're inherently flawed.

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Whatever feud Belschaft and I have has nothing to do with the block vote. Bel wants more and more votes to happen on the RMB. I don't, and neither do most LC candidates when they run. Whenever the point pops up on the RMB, they don't want to be forced to deal with Assembly politics either. That's why I rewrote the LC in the Charter.

I am 100% fine in removing the LC Rep. I'm not even convinced the LC would be opposed to it sans "replacement," particularly the idea of the "replacement" being that the Assembly is re-granted the power to legislate RMB matters. Have any of you guys actually asked?

There's no reason for us to start doing things like writing LC election bills again. I've been fighting for a long while now to get you guys to just let them take care of themselves. And it seems every time I try, you just don't get it and restart the right. Want to end the damn "feud"?? Stop restarting it!!

No Assembly constitutional laws on RMB issues, period. Thus, no need to insert language into the Charter saying that votes need to be held on the RMB.

There's also zero need to re-poll this issue. The LC has, literally, the strongest form of self-governance that's possible to have. If you would just let them have it ffs.


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New draft. The only change made is an amendment to Article I, requiring a game-side vote on new constitutional laws that directly affect game-side. The amendments to Article XIII would only cover amendments to constitutional laws, not newly proposed constitutional laws.

Local Government Reform Amendments
Amendments to improve game-side local government in the South Pacific

1. Amendments to the Charter of the Coalition of the South Pacific

(1) The following will be amended into the Charter of the Coalition of the South Pacific as Article I, Section 4:

(4) Any constitutional law that directly affects the game-side community or its home governance, as determined by the Chair of the Assembly, must also be debated and voted upon by the game-side community.

(2) Article IV, Section 1 of the Charter of the Coalition of the South Pacific will be amended as follows:

1. The Assembly holds supreme legislative authority in the Coalition, and is comprised of all eligible legislators and a representative of the Local Council. It is responsible for establishing and maintaining the legal code of the Coalition.

(3) Article IV, Sections 9-10 of the Charter of the Coalition of the South Pacific will be amended as follows:

9. The Local Council representative will have the power to cast an additional weighted vote worth one-fifth of all non-abstaining votes cast on bills, not including the block vote, giving them a one-sixth share of the total vote, excluding abstentions. The Chair will calculate how many votes are allotted to the representative at the close of each vote, rounding them to the nearest whole number, and will then add the representative’s total votes to the final tally.

10. 9. The legislative history of all laws will be recorded by the Chair, including debate threads, vote results, and amendment histories.

(4) Article V, Section 4 of the Charter of the Coalition of the South Pacific will be amended as follows:

4. To help promote inter-governmental relations, the Local Council will send a representative to the Assembly, whose term must not exceed the Local Council’s. The method of selection will be decided by the Local Council, along with how the representative casts their votes in the Assembly.

(5) Article XIII of the Charter of the Coalition of the South Pacific will be amended as follows:

XIII. AMENDMENT PROCESS

Setting a procedure for amendment of the Charter and constitutional laws

1. The Assembly may amend any provision of the Charter or constitutional laws by a three-fifths supermajority. Amendments to the Charter or constitutional laws must be constitutional in nature, addressing and amendments to the Charter must address the structure or framework of government. Bills that may exist as general laws, as determined by the Chair of the Assembly, should not be placed in the Charter or constitutional laws.

2. Any amendment to the Charter or constitutional laws that directly affects the game-side community or its home governance, as determined by the Chair of the Assembly, must also be debated and voted upon by the game-side community. Additionally, the Local Council may originate amendments to its constitutional structure, which must be debated and voted upon in the Assembly.

2. Amendment to the Regional Officers Act

(1) Article 2, Section 5 of the Regional Officers Act will be amended as follows:

(5) At least one member of the Local Council will be granted the Appearance, Communications, and Polls powers.

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I am 100% fine in removing the LC Rep. I'm not even convinced the LC would be opposed to it sans "replacement," particularly the idea of the "replacement" being that the Assembly is re-granted the power to legislate RMB matters. Have any of you guys actually asked?

The Assembly already has the power to legislate on any matter except those solely affecting game-side. The Assembly can legislate on matters that directly but not solely affect game-side. That you obstinately refuse to see the difference between "solely" and "directly" is your problem.

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So I never got an answer to the point of order I raised. I think it would benefit this chamber if the Chair would actually answer that point as it would help us to determine what the final form of this legislation needs to be ne.

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This is my proposed alternative based on discussion here and on Discord. It is basically Cormac's draft but with changes that mean the LC Rep block vote is removed and that one LC member is guaranteed communication\appearance power.

I believe that LC and others may be discussing with gameside, what the gameside itself wants and that is a separate conversation. This takes the first step in removing a point of possible contention. My concerns have been outlined as:

1. Strong local governance is key to the gameside.

2. Assembly should not be making decisions about local governance.

3. Removing a power position that can be seen as affecting regional governance may help limit some of the back and forth struggle or tug of war.

4. At some point, it will be the LC itself and the gameside that will tell us what they want.

Thank you for your feedback, suggestions, polite discussion and\or support!

Local Government Reform Amendments
Amendments to improve game-side local government in the South Pacific

1. Amendments to the Charter of the Coalition of the South Pacific

(1) Article IV, Section 1 of the Charter of the Coalition of the South Pacific will be amended as follows:

1. The Assembly holds supreme legislative authority in the Coalition, and is comprised of all eligible legislators and a representative of the Local Council. It is responsible for establishing and maintaining the legal code of the Coalition.

(2) Article IV, Sections 9-10 of the Charter of the Coalition of the South Pacific will be amended as follows:

9. The Local Council representative will have the power to cast an additional weighted vote worth one-fifth of all non-abstaining votes cast on bills, not including the block vote, giving them a one-sixth share of the total vote, excluding abstentions. The Chair will calculate how many votes are allotted to the representative at the close of each vote, rounding them to the nearest whole number, and will then add the representative’s total votes to the final tally.

10. 9. The legislative history of all laws will be recorded by the Chair, including debate threads, vote results, and amendment histories.

(3) Article V, Section 4 of the Charter of the Coalition of the South Pacific will be amended as follows:

4. To help promote inter-governmental relations, the Local Council will send a representative to the Assembly, whose term must not exceed the Local Council’s. The method of selection will be decided by the Local Council, along with how the representative casts their votes in the Assembly.

2. Amendment to the Regional Officers Act

(1) Article 2, Section 5 of the Regional Officers Act will be amended as follows:

(5) At least one member of the Local Council will be granted the Appearance, Communications, and Polls powers.

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