| [Debate] Splitting RA Round 2 |
(05-01-2020, 02:48 PM)Jay Coop Wrote: On the second point, we do not see it necessary to rename a ministry that has stood for nearly nine years. In this proposal, Integration could be removed from the mandate of the Ministry of Regional Affairs, but the original ministry will continue to exist under a revised mandate. MoRA is a catch-all Ministry designed to handle what FA and MA didn't. This is not a catch-all Ministry and is substantially different from what MoRA has been. There has been a lot of opposition around the fact that we are eliminating the central tenant of MoRA which is that all of these things are under one Ministry. If that is the central tenant of MoRA, then MoRA, as we have known it for nine years, ceases to exist. I think that necessitates a name change. Also, and I can not believe I didn't see this sooner, why are Media and culture still under the same Ministry. Those are the two things MoRA has done with some degree of regularity. What is the point of keeping the two most labor-intensive things in the same Ministry when the whole point is to split up the workload between separate either Ministers or a Minister and an independent Media Dept.? (05-01-2020, 02:48 PM)Jay Coop Wrote: On the matter of senior leadership being in favor of the alternative amendment proposal, it must be made clear that some are not in favor of the amendment per se, but believe that such an amendment is favorable to other proposals.Wait so are they going to vote for it or not? Because if they aren't going to vote for it that's a big deal because this wording makes it sound like they won't vote for any split. If you aren't going to ever vote for any split, why should you have a say in what a split looks like when you will just vote against? Numbers are what matter here. And this almost makes it sound like maybe your proposal doesn't have the support of the Ministry, they would just see it as less bad. But they still intend to vote against. Above all else, I hope to be a decent person.
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I already said I wasn't going to make any more posts, but this one's an exeption to clarify that I personally wasn't inherently against a split altogether. I like the proposal proposed by Jay + am in favour for that split. I think that's a pretty common sentiment in MoRA leadership except for those who wish to remain neutral due to their status in the government.
EDIT: This is my general observation and is subject to contradiction by others, I'm not the sole arbiter of MoRA leadership
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After some thinking on the matter I think three ministries are in order:
1. Ministry of Culture: Runs events and aids the roleplay community. 2 Ministry of Media: Does graphics, media (print and audio), and promotion. 3. Ministry of Integration: does welcoming and education. It makes no sense to split RA if you are going to leave media and culture together, and no ministry in charge of either culture or media should be tasked with the project of building an integration system. However, I think we can all agree we see Integration as a priority. I should probably not draft the language for this as I am not the most concise when it comes to these things. I would welcome any and all feedback on this proposed framework. Above all else, I hope to be a decent person.
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I wonder whether changing the name of 'Regional Affairs' is a dealbreaker for Legislators. I believe it would be a good clean break for the region to proceed forward with new terminology and put the at-times hostile environment behind us.
First of all, I don't understand why Omega's proposal is abandoning the convention of ministry names ending in "affairs". Secondly, I think it would be better to explore what a two-way split would produce than directly jump into a three ministry split. I believe that we, the senior leadership of the Ministry, shared a reasonable alternative. At the end of the day, the Assembly will do whatever it's gonna do, but the members of this Assembly have access to the alternative proposal. If the Assembly is committed to a vote on Omega's proposal, it should also be committed to a vote on the alternative. We have also stated that our proposal is not set in stone and available for revisions.
(05-02-2020, 04:06 AM)Jay Coop Wrote: ... If the Assembly is committed to a vote on Omega's proposal, it should also be committed to a vote on the alternative. We have also stated that our proposal is not set in stone and available for revisions. I suggest a non-binding poll to determine which proposal proceeds to a binding vote. The last time we went into a vote with multiple proposals, nothing came from it because the proponents were split on the options. (05-02-2020, 04:20 AM)Amerion Wrote: I suggest a non-binding poll to determine which proposal proceeds to a binding vote. The last time we went into a vote with multiple proposals, nothing came from it because the proponents were split on the options. If we're going to issue a poll, I suggest we also poll whether people support dividing the mandate. (05-02-2020, 04:25 AM)Jay Coop Wrote:(05-02-2020, 04:20 AM)Amerion Wrote: I suggest a non-binding poll to determine which proposal proceeds to a binding vote. The last time we went into a vote with multiple proposals, nothing came from it because the proponents were split on the options. I agree, that is a logical proposal. Perhaps the Chair may arrange these non-binding polls?
I can arrange the polls if you'd like, though I will also like to point out that legislators are able to create polls at any time, just so everyone knows.
 Empress of Fire Current Minister of Military Affairs Chair Perch of the Assembly (February to June 2020) SPSF Soldier MoRA Fellow Ambassador to Forest and Lazarus (05-02-2020, 04:06 AM)Jay Coop Wrote: First of all, I don't understand why Omega's proposal is abandoning the convention of ministry names ending in "affairs". Quite frankly, I think most of the suggested 'affairs' names we've come up with across the whole of this debate (including December) sound rather silly and there is really no need to continue the convention during such an expansion, especially if, as in Omega's suggestion, we end up with more ministries that don't have it than do. Stretching affairs to cover the the ministries we have right now was a stretch, but a barable one under the circumstances, but extending it post that just seems rather silly to me. (05-02-2020, 04:06 AM)Jay Coop Wrote: Secondly, I think it would be better to explore what a two-way split would produce than directly jump into a three ministry split. I believe that we, the senior leadership of the Ministry, shared a reasonable alternative. As Omega and I have pointed out, there's just not much point splitting the ministry so that only integration is removed, since that doesn't, currently, take up much of the ministry's time and effort. As I see it, the real meat of a split is only ever going to be between media and culture and whilst integration is important to the region, no one really wants to do it, either (and that's historical, not just a comment on the present situation). Thus, it either needs to be its own ministry so no one else is "saddled" with it, except those who choose to be, or if a three way split is so unpalatable, it needs to be cut out entirely and perhaps given to the cabinet as a whole as a cabinet project. I'm in favour of using non-binding polls to find a way forward, although there's no guarantee that they will. Founder of the Church of the South Pacific [Forum Thread] [Discord], a safe place to discuss spirituality for people of all faiths and none (currently looking for those interested in prayer and/or "home" groups);
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