I think if we did this I would prefer that the minister was elected specifically, rather than winter from amongst the LC. I'd imagine that they would be elected in the first round of LC elections but would have to run specifically with a platform for that position - this would be to mitigate the possibility of allowing access to the cabinet someone who want elected in the basis of a particular platform. It would still be a risk, but I think this would help.
EDIT: Also, could we think of another name, preferably without 'affairs' in it? At the moment it sounds like a hook-up site...
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(05-18-2020, 04:49 AM)Seraph Wrote: I think if we did this I would prefer that the minister was elected specifically, rather than winter from amongst the LC. I'd imagine that they would be elected in the first round of LC elections but would have to run specifically with a platform for that position - this would be to mitigate the possibility of allowing access to the cabinet someone who want elected in the basis of a particular platform. It would still be a risk, but I think this would help.
EDIT: Also, could we think of another name, preferably without 'affairs' in it? At the moment it sounds like a hook-up site...
After some discussion with Drystar in #local-council, we could require the officeholder to be a past or present legislator. However, his suggestion made the case for the Local Council as a whole.
Alternatively, we could almost be like the UK and call the office the Home Secretary, whose ministry is the Ministry of Home Affairs. :Face with Stuck-Out Tongue:
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(05-18-2020, 04:49 AM)Seraph Wrote: I think if we did this I would prefer that the minister was elected specifically, rather than winter from amongst the LC. I'd imagine that they would be elected in the first round of LC elections but would have to run specifically with a platform for that position - this would be to mitigate the possibility of allowing access to the cabinet someone who want elected in the basis of a particular platform. It would still be a risk, but I think this would help.
My only concern about this is that we'd end up running (effectively) two different elections if someone didn't want to be considered as MoHA. (Side: I like Home Affairs h/t Jay.)
What if we wrote it in to the law that the first elected LC member would assume the title of Minister of Home Affairs unless they choose to forego it and it would be passed to the highest vote getter of the second round?
Actually, some of this should (or will be in the future) decided by the LC since they can write their own laws ...
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Aside from the change to the office's name, I have revised the amendment to the Elections Act according to Tsu's suggestion.
Amendment to the Charter Wrote:THE CHARTER OF THE SOUTH PACIFIC
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V. THE LOCAL COUNCIL
Establishing home rule for the gamesidein-game region residents of the South Pacific.
(1) The Local Council will be the local government of the gamesidein-game community, composed of three or more residents of the South Pacific, and will represent the interests of all players in the region, moderate the Regional Message Board, encourage activity on the gameside, and administrate itself on issues unique to the gamesidein-game community.
(2) The Local Council is entitled to self-administration within its jurisdiction on local issues, but may not pass laws or regulations that contradict this Charter or constitutional laws. To that end, the Assembly may not enact any law, nor the Cabinet delivers any directive, that is solely related to an issue local to the gamesidein-game community.
(3) The Local Council may not be denied the authority to run regional polls, create and pin Dispatches, and to suppress messages on the Regional Message Board according to a standard moderation policy. However, it may not alter the regional flags or tags, and may not send out mass telegrams, without the approval of the Delegate.
(4) To help promote inter-governmental relations, the Local Council may send a representative to the Assembly whose term must not exceed the Local Council’s. The method of selection will be decided by the Local Council.
VI. THE EXECUTIVE
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(2) The Cabinet will consist of ministers with the following portfolios: Foreign Affairs, Regional Affairs, and Military Affairs, and Home Affairs.
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Minister of Home Affairs
(1) The Minister of Home Affairs will be the local advocate of the gameside community and represent the Local Council in the Assembly and Cabinet. Addendum 1 — Amendment to the Elections Act Wrote:Elections Act
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4. Offices of the Cabinet
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(2) The Minister of Home Affairs shall be exempt from Article 4, Section 1 of this Act. At the start of each Local Council term, the first-elected Local Councillor may choose to become Minister of Home Affairs, who shall not be required to be a legislator, or defer to the popular vote winner of the second round of the Local Council election. At any point throughout their term, the Local Council may replace the Minister of Home Affairs by a majority vote.
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7. Separation of Powers
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(2) It is not permitted for any individual to hold more than one office within the Coalition's government, with the exception of a Local Councillor simultaneously serving as Minister of Home Affairs. Addendum 2 — Amendment to the Regional Officers Act Wrote:Regional Officers Act
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2. Regional Officers
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(3) The Minister of Foreign Affairs will be allotted a Regional Officer position and granted Embassies power.
(4) The Minister of Home Affairs will be allotted a Regional Officer position and granted Appearance, Communications, and Polls powers,
(53) OtherThe Cabinet ministers will be allotted a maximum of threebetween one and four Regional Officer positions and granted Appearance, Communications, and Polls powers. They will decide which Cabinet ministers among them will be granted Embassies power.
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If there is no objection, I motion a vote on the above proposal.
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Wait why take away comms, appearance and polls from MoFA?
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My mistake, that was an error on my part.
Amendment to the Charter Wrote:THE CHARTER OF THE SOUTH PACIFIC
...
V. THE LOCAL COUNCIL
Establishing home rule for the gamesidein-game region residents of the South Pacific.
(1) The Local Council will be the local government of the gamesidein-game community, composed of three or more residents of the South Pacific, and will represent the interests of all players in the region, moderate the Regional Message Board, encourage activity on the gameside, and administrate itself on issues unique to the gamesidein-game community.
(2) The Local Council is entitled to self-administration within its jurisdiction on local issues, but may not pass laws or regulations that contradict this Charter or constitutional laws. To that end, the Assembly may not enact any law, nor the Cabinet delivers any directive, that is solely related to an issue local to the gamesidein-game community.
(3) The Local Council may not be denied the authority to run regional polls, create and pin Dispatches, and to suppress messages on the Regional Message Board according to a standard moderation policy. However, it may not alter the regional flags or tags, and may not send out mass telegrams, without the approval of the Delegate.
(4) To help promote inter-governmental relations, the Local Council may send a representative to the Assembly whose term must not exceed the Local Council’s. The method of selection will be decided by the Local Council.
VI. THE EXECUTIVE
...
(2) The Cabinet will consist of ministers with the following portfolios: Foreign Affairs, Regional Affairs, and Military Affairs, and Home Affairs.
...
Minister of Home Affairs
(1) The Minister of Home Affairs will be the local advocate of the gameside community and represent the Local Council in the Assembly and Cabinet. Addendum 1 — Amendment to the Elections Act Wrote:Elections Act
...
4. Offices of the Cabinet
...
(2) The Minister of Home Affairs shall be exempt from Article 4, Section 1 of this Act. At the start of each Local Council term, the first-elected Local Councillor may choose to become Minister of Home Affairs, who shall not be required to be a legislator, or defer to the popular vote winner of the second round of the Local Council election. At any point throughout their term, the Local Council may replace the Minister of Home Affairs by a majority vote.
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7. Separation of Powers
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(2) It is not permitted for any individual to hold more than one office within the Coalition's government, with the exception of a Local Councillor simultaneously serving as Minister of Home Affairs. Addendum 2 — Amendment to the Regional Officers Act Wrote:Regional Officers Act
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2. Regional Officers
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(3) The Minister of Foreign Affairs will be allotted a Regional Officer position and granted the undermentioned powers of other Cabinet ministers and Embassies power.
(4) The Minister of Home Affairs will be allotted a Regional Officer position and granted the undermentioned powers of other Cabinet ministers.
(53) OtherThe Cabinet ministers will be allotted a maximum of threebetween one and four Regional Officer positions and granted Appearance, Communications, and Polls powers. They will decide which Cabinet ministers among them will be granted Embassies power.
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There's no reason for MoFA to have comms, appearance and polls. That's just been a nicety.
I really think we need to get some RMB side (especially LC) input here since this will need to go to an RMB vote as well.
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that would mean they would need to come here and most don't. So how do you propose to do that Tsu?
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