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Europeia had a region building programme years ago. Providing support to people setting up a UCR was not easy there and will likely be more difficult for us, not least of all because not everyone here knows what it takes to build a region. That last part isn’t meant as a slight to anyone, I mean, why should we know how to build a region? It wouldn’t make much sense given that we’re a GCR. The region is already there.
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I mean, I was being a bit flip about being imperialist defenders since it's somewhat contradictory and don't want to tar Seraph's proposal with an unfair characterization of it.
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Just for the record, before your reply I edited out some comments that did not adequately reflect my thinking and expanded my comments on the idea of a region building programme.
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(06-13-2020, 11:41 AM)Kris Kringle Wrote: Just for the record, before your reply I edited out some comments that did not adequately reflect my thinking and expanded my comments on the idea of a region building programme. I edited the quote response, but kept the sentiment because it wasn't just only in response to you.
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[forum admin] (06-13-2020, 11:30 AM)Kris Kringle Wrote: I'm not sure how much of the proposal is intended to be region-building. From the OP, it seems more so to be about creating a 'security structure' of likeminded regions.
(06-13-2020, 11:52 AM)Amerion Wrote: I'm not sure how much of the proposal is intended to be region-building. From the OP, it seems more so to be about creating a 'security structure' of likeminded regions. I was responding to this: (06-13-2020, 08:41 AM)Seraph Wrote: I was also thinking of a sort of UCR-creation support thingy, where we help people setup their own regions. Former Delegate of the South Pacific
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I think it's important to note, that from the text Seraph is talking about is actually just about regions we already generally control for various purposes.
Adopting a Commonwealth approach — as proposed — would simply allow SP nations to reside in other regions and still participate in SP governance rather than needing puppets for the that. This could result in region building, but I don't think it would at first.
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Yeah the region building thing is kinda an extrapolation or a distant end goal. I also wasn't necessarily thinking about it on terms of us being experts so much as being a stable region things could branch off from safely and a safety net should things not quite work out. Plus, as a feeder, we're a natural recruitment pool and we could provide certain (limited) recruitment benefits and promotion for any member regions.
(06-13-2020, 09:19 AM)USoVietnam Wrote: How exactly will this work? An important question, but a premature one at this point, I think. Firstly, I think it's important to explore what people envision and think might be desirable along with what people definitely don't want - including the whole idea if that's where the consensus lies. If we do anything like this it'll necessarily be a fairly big deal and will be require careful thinking, and a lot of discussion over a long time, but right now I think it's good to just have a bit of blue sky thinking. Founder of the Church of the South Pacific [Forum Thread] [Discord], a safe place to discuss spirituality for people of all faiths and none (currently looking for those interested in prayer and/or "home" groups);
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This was a terrible idea in 2017 and is a tertible idea now, for all the same reasons.
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(06-13-2020, 09:19 AM)USoVietnam Wrote: How exactly will this work? So, the way I imagine it is the following: First, the Commonwealth Act would give us a framework in general to manage regions "owned" in some sense by TSP. This would most directly be relevant to things like Knowhere (RP region), Versailles Isle (former SPSF Jump Point), and Axis Pact (fascist region we destroyed and took over). This aspect should be noncontroversial and is something we should do no matter how we as a region stand on the second point. Second, it gives us an opportunity to draw more people into an overall coalition of the Coalition. This wouldn't be region-building, as I imagine it; rather, the Coalition (in form of the "forum government", you could say) would not only be the off-site of the South Pacific (which remains the main region), but also of other regions. These other regions might have their own Local Council, their own local Defense Council, their own RMB culture, and all of that - but, the South Pacific and these regions would share the off-site, i.e. forum and Discord server(s). Members of those regions could also choose to become Legislators or even run for Cabinet. As to the why, it's basically: The Coalition offers regions use of its existing off-site infrastructure, and in exchange they repay us with the only true currency in NationStates, which is activity (be that for regional stuff, additional soldiers in SPSF, or even just for hanging out). This is not imperialism, because imperialism would imply a forceful takeover of regions. These regions wouldn't be dominions of the South Pacific; the most apt term is probably microstates in terms of their delegation of some power while retaining autonomy in other areas, and the protection that the greater Coalition would of course offer those regions. There are some steps that would need to be taken to approach that second point. For example, the first point (which we should do anyway) as well as splitting the CRS (which we should do anyway) immediately come to mind. (06-13-2020, 01:01 PM)Belschaft Wrote: This was a terrible idea in 2017 and is a tertible idea now, for all the same reasons. Meanwhile, back in 2017.... (03-15-2017, 07:26 PM)Belschaft Wrote: I like this in principle 
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