Do you think that ? Well I don't I'm no of fan of the SNP but anyone can see (if you look a lot into it and only people who live in Scotland because it will affected them most of all) that Scotland would be better off with independence. I always vote for Scottish Green Party for MEP and MSP votes, but for MP votes I vote for the main one, but anyway the Scottish Green Party supports Independence so that one reason I am voting for Independence.

The questions here are "Why?"
Why does Scotland need independence?
Why would Scotland be better off independent?
etc.

And as I said earlier, can Scotland even support independence economically?

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No, it can't.

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Do you think that ? Well I don't I'm no of fan of the SNP but anyone can see (if you look a lot into it and only people who live in Scotland because it will affected them most of all) that Scotland would be better off with independence. I always vote for Scottish Green Party for MEP and MSP votes, but for MP votes I vote for the main one, but anyway the Scottish Green Party supports Independence so that one reason I am voting for Independence.

The questions here are "Why?"
Why does Scotland need independence?
Why would Scotland be better off independent?
etc.

Scotland Can Should and Must become Independent.

We would be better of without the rest of the UK, I was once I no voter but I looked into it and I now know that we will be better of with Independents.

I like the UK but I now think the maps need to change for the better.

And as I said earlier, can Scotland even support independence economically?

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Scotland will be bankrupt within a decade and relying on the World Bank or the European Union for bailouts. They get more spending per head in Scotland than they'd get if spending was proportionate to the amount of taxes paid by the country.

They also get a lot of things I'd have to pay for in England. If they want to leave the Union, then I'll be glad to see them go. Maybe it'll mean that England gets to see reduced university tuition fees or prescriptions. Both of which are free in Scotland.

I particularly like the part in Scotland where as an Englishman, I'd have to pay more for their Universities than European Immigrants would. The irony is not lost on me.

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hm.... lots of 'something' there Lord Ravenclaw. But i am in complete agreeance with you

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I don't think that Scotland will be bankrupt within a decade, it can survive, although arguably they'll have a lower GDP per capita because they will lack the fiscal transfers from England.

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I don't think Scotland should separate. Why go out of an union that you are good in? England never discrimated Scotland or Wales in this century. You need to watch the pros and cons of independence, not just because "you love your land". That's why I want Puertorrican Statehood. So we can recieve the benefits that USA has! Plus, Scotland is on the same island as England and Wales. Why separate? But if the people want it that way, then let it be. Peacefully.
But, economically, Scotland will be a mess if they separate. Since they won't recieve support of England since Scotland is dependent of England, they are dead if they become independent.

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I disagree that we are dependant on England. Unless you're an expert on UK finances, please don't bother to regurgitate what the no campaign have been spinning.

For other reasons why we might want to go it alone, I can recommend http://altscotland.blogspot.co.uk/ and the Wings Over Scotland site which is linked from there.

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'Cause they're not bias. Scotland would still likely receive massive financial support from the UK in the event of secession.

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'Cause they're not bias. Scotland would still likely receive massive financial support from the UK in the event of secession.

Scotland is dependent in the UK, whether they like it or not. Unless you can undo four centuries of union between the countries (counting from the start of the personal union in 1603, not the formal union in 1707) then that's just a foolish belief. Their economies have been linked far too long to claim otherwise.

Sure Scotland wants financial aid, but who says the UK has to or even wants to? After all, isn't it in the word independence to not be dependent on them? The only obligation the UK would have is to hand them their fair share of the debt and reclaim the UK's property. It's not like Scotland really has any leverage in negotiations (except maybe the North Sea oil), after all, what can they do? Threaten to leave the union?

Scotland already receives its fair share of financial support from the UK, and there's no reason to keep it on independence.

There's nothing saying the corporations and other industries in Scotland will stay either, with the economic uncertainty and probably weaker economy it seems unlikely that many will.

And the currency issue remains an idealistic dream for Scotland. The UK risks tying its economy to a country who's main strength would be a finite and rapidly depleting resource. Even if the UK allowed them to keep the currency they'll just be tying themselves to the UK's fiscal control of it. Once again, it's not like Scotland gets to choose here.

From what I can see, much like with Quebec over here, Scotland basically wants status quo, except as an "independent" country. Why the senior partner of such a union would ever let the ungrateful region continue to drain their economy is a mystery to me. If you want independence it's going to have to mostly be all or nothing.

What I find quite humourous about the blog Almonaster linked is that one of its primary arguments seems to be that to escape a supposedly collapsing union they need to leave the union. A circular and self-destructive argument if I've ever seen one.

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