That's how most unions fall apart. Look at the Caribbean.

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Scotland will be bankrupt within a decade and relying on the World Bank or the European Union for bailouts. They get more spending per head in Scotland than they'd get if spending was proportionate to the amount of taxes paid by the country.

They also get a lot of things I'd have to pay for in England. If they want to leave the Union, then I'll be glad to see them go. Maybe it'll mean that England gets to see reduced university tuition fees or prescriptions. Both of which are free in Scotland.

I particularly like the part in Scotland where as an Englishman, I'd have to pay more for their Universities than European Immigrants would. The irony is not lost on me.

University's are not free in Scotland and you can only get a free prescription in your constituency (that's the same in the rest of the UK) But if Scotland does vote University's will be free in Scotland!

You say that we take money away from the rest of the UK, Well here in Scotland we think Westminster steels our money which it does.

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Westminster uses Scotland as a dump for Nuclear Weapons if they were to explode that could be all if not most of Scotland gone in a second. If Scotland does vote Yes Westminster is going to give them to France or the USA instead of taking them themselves and if we vote No they will stay in Scotland even thought we don't want them in Scotland. Who wants a government like that ? A government that we didn't even vote in.

Westminster takes most of our money and we get a small amount back and since we have such a small population we get stuck with the government that the rest of the UK wants. They threaten us by say that if we even think about Independence they will stop making Scottish Bank notes, threaten us by say we can't have the same currency as them if we vote Yes and say that the only way oil, whisky and all of Scotland's other wealth can be sold for a good prise is by stay in the UK.

Think about would you like a government like that ? A government that you didn't even vote in ? Scotland can become a fairer, greener and weather nation if we vote Yes. No one is say it will be easy and no one is saying it will happen over night but the first step is Yes.

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Westminster uses Scotland as a dump for Nuclear Weapons if they were to explode that could be all if not most of Scotland gone in a second. If Scotland does vote Yes Westminster is going to give them to France or the USA instead of taking them themselves and if we vote No they will stay in Scotland even thought we don't want them in Scotland. Who wants a government like that ? A government that we didn't even vote in.

Nuclear waste does not explode. Even if it did its not going to take Scotland with it.

Westminster takes most of our money and we get a small amount back and since we have such a small population we get stuck with the government that the rest of the UK wants. They threaten us by say that if we even think about Independence they will stop making Scottish Bank notes, threaten us by say we can't have the same currency as them if we vote Yes and say that the only way oil, whisky and all of Scotland's other wealth can be sold for a good prise is by stay in the UK.
Scotland has a fraction of England's population. And even then you get a higher per capita amount back than England.

[quote]Think about would you like a government like that ? A government that you didn't even vote in ? Scotland can become a fairer, greener and weather nation if we vote Yes. No one is say it will be easy and no one is saying it will happen over night but the first step is Yes.

You voted for your government. You just only get your share of equal representation in the UK.

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[quote='Punchwood' pid='12457' datele='1400374674']
Westminster uses Scotland as a dump for Nuclear Weapons if they were to explode that could be all if not most of Scotland gone in a second. If Scotland does vote Yes Westminster is going to give them to France or the USA instead of taking them themselves and if we vote No they will stay in Scotland even thought we don't want them in Scotland. Who wants a government like that ? A government that we didn't even vote in.

Nuclear waste does not explode. Even if it did its not going to take Scotland with it.

Westminster takes most of our money and we get a small amount back and since we have such a small population we get stuck with the government that the rest of the UK wants. They threaten us by say that if we even think about Independence they will stop making Scottish Bank notes, threaten us by say we can't have the same currency as them if we vote Yes and say that the only way oil, whisky and all of Scotland's other wealth can be sold for a good prise is by stay in the UK.
Scotland has a fraction of England's population. And even then you get a higher per capita amount back than England.

[quote]Think about would you like a government like that ? A government that you didn't even vote in ? Scotland can become a fairer, greener and weather nation if we vote Yes. No one is say it will be easy and no one is saying it will happen over night but the first step is Yes.

You voted for your government. You just only get your share of equal representation in the UK.
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Not nuclear waste, nuclear weapons, nuclear trident missiles.

We don't vote for our government. The UK has a population of 63.23. England has a population of 53.01. So Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland get whatever government England wants. So Scotland has a tiny voice on who we get for a government. The Scottish Parliament only decides how much money every constituency in Scotland gets and The Scottish Parliament gets it money from Westminster and it's not a lot.

So think about now that I have coreted you, would you like a government like that ? Watch this vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NclkfOjQle0 it covers everything I just talked about.

Things need to change for the better and the first step is Yes.

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[quote='Punchwood' pid='12457' datele='1400374674']
Westminster uses Scotland as a dump for Nuclear Weapons if they were to explode that could be all if not most of Scotland gone in a second. If Scotland does vote Yes Westminster is going to give them to France or the USA instead of taking them themselves and if we vote No they will stay in Scotland even thought we don't want them in Scotland. Who wants a government like that ? A government that we didn't even vote in.

Nuclear waste does not explode. Even if it did its not going to take Scotland with it.

Westminster takes most of our money and we get a small amount back and since we have such a small population we get stuck with the government that the rest of the UK wants. They threaten us by say that if we even think about Independence they will stop making Scottish Bank notes, threaten us by say we can't have the same currency as them if we vote Yes and say that the only way oil, whisky and all of Scotland's other wealth can be sold for a good prise is by stay in the UK.
Scotland has a fraction of England's population. And even then you get a higher per capita amount back than England.

Think about would you like a government like that ? A government that you didn't even vote in ? Scotland can become a fairer, greener and weather nation if we vote Yes. No one is say it will be easy and no one is saying it will happen over night but the first step is Yes.

You voted for your government. You just only get your share of equal representation in the UK.

Not nuclear waste, nuclear weapons, nuclear trident missiles.

We don't vote for our government. The UK has a population of 63.23. England has a population of 53.01. So Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland get whatever government England wants. So Scotland has a tiny voice on who we get for a government. The Scottish Parliament only decides how much money every constituency in Scotland gets and The Scottish Parliament gets it money from Westminster and it's not a lot.

So think about now that I have coreted you, would you like a government like that ? Watch this vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NclkfOjQle0 it covers everything I just talked about.

Things need to change for the better and the first step is Yes.

So you're upset because your people are equally represented in parliament and that every Scottish UKer doesn't have the same power as 8 English UKers? Hurray for representative democracy!

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[quote='Punchwood' pid='12457' datele='1400374674']
Westminster uses Scotland as a dump for Nuclear Weapons if they were to explode that could be all if not most of Scotland gone in a second. If Scotland does vote Yes Westminster is going to give them to France or the USA instead of taking them themselves and if we vote No they will stay in Scotland even thought we don't want them in Scotland. Who wants a government like that ? A government that we didn't even vote in.

Nuclear waste does not explode. Even if it did its not going to take Scotland with it.

Westminster takes most of our money and we get a small amount back and since we have such a small population we get stuck with the government that the rest of the UK wants. They threaten us by say that if we even think about Independence they will stop making Scottish Bank notes, threaten us by say we can't have the same currency as them if we vote Yes and say that the only way oil, whisky and all of Scotland's other wealth can be sold for a good prise is by stay in the UK.
Scotland has a fraction of England's population. And even then you get a higher per capita amount back than England.

Think about would you like a government like that ? A government that you didn't even vote in ? Scotland can become a fairer, greener and weather nation if we vote Yes. No one is say it will be easy and no one is saying it will happen over night but the first step is Yes.

You voted for your government. You just only get your share of equal representation in the UK.

Not nuclear waste, nuclear weapons, nuclear trident missiles.

We don't vote for our government. The UK has a population of 63.23. England has a population of 53.01. So Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland get whatever government England wants. So Scotland has a tiny voice on who we get for a government. The Scottish Parliament only decides how much money every constituency in Scotland gets and The Scottish Parliament gets it money from Westminster and it's not a lot.

So think about now that I have coreted you, would you like a government like that ? Watch this vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NclkfOjQle0 it covers everything I just talked about.

Things need to change for the better and the first step is Yes.

So you're upset because your people are equally represented in parliament and that every Scottish UKer doesn't have the same power as 8 English UKers? Hurray for representative democracy!

What ?

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Huh?

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Look just watch this vid it shows a lot about what I have just been talking about and more ! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NclkfOjQle0

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The issue is not just about Scotland

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/coming-...2013-05-15

Scotland leaves and it will give that all away


London's economy is roughly the same size as that of Sweden or Iran according to the CIA

If you seriously think that Scotland will be better off if it goes its own way I think you will be in for a nasty shock

You can't keep the pound without surrendering some of your sovereignty as exchange rates will still be governed by the Bank of Sassenachs (and therefore economic policy determined by Westminster) so you might have to adopt the Euro, exchanging economic control from Westminster for economic control via Brussels

The aircraft carriers built on the banks of the Clyde will in future be built in Portsmouth or Barrow in Furness - no future "rest of the UK" government would commit political suicide by awarding contracts to build Capital ships to a foreign country that Scotland would become

Aside from the economics there is the issue of migration, immigration and border control. The SNP belive that nett migration INTO Scotland will be needed to plug the skills gap and pension deficit caused by leaving the UK economy.

Unless there is some financial inducement to attract the brightest and best to Edinburgh Glasgow or Dundee these people will still head towards the bright lights of London - it happens to every province in the UK the investment centres on the South East:

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014...south-east


"Scotland needs more immigration. If we still think that old age deserves choice and quality of life then some facts must be faced. Britain has an ageing population and Scotland's is ageing more rapidly than that of the rest of the UK. We need another one million immigrants in this country paying taxes and national insurance as well as purchasing goods and services. This they tend to do and they tend not to get as sick and depressed as the rest of us"

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree...w-scotland

It is not just Scotland that is suffering from the whims of those in Westminster, so is the North East, The North West, The South West and Wales - you leave and the rest of us that hate the mandarins down south will never forgive you. You get your "independence" and you let them walk away scot free, in more ways than one - no more opposition to Tory venture capitalist scorched earth economics.

I am afraid you are being sold a romantic dream of what Scottish Independence really is and much as I applaud you for wanting to assert your national identity I'm afraid this will all end in tears

If you do get your way I really hope you become successful, and economic focus in the British Isles shifts toward Glasgow and Edinburgh, and the northern counties of England gravitate towards it - you would probably be surprised at how far South the rest of us would want the border to extend

However lets not forget that 3 successive Prime Ministers of Scottish descent have been in charge of the UK Government for almost two decades now, and you did send Jimmy 6 down here that led to all this in the first place!

(This post was last modified: 07-12-2014, 09:52 AM by Chancellor of Admonora.)

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