| Criminal Complaint against Concrete Slab |
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Your Honourable Justices,
Following the posting of the defence, I hereby submit Evidence and testimony in relatio to HCCC1802 in respect of New Haudenosaunee Confederacy v. Concrete Slab. Abbvs NHC = New Haudenosaunee Confederacy CS = Concrete Slab RMB = Regional Message Board LC = Local Council TSSS = The Solar System Scope RP = Roleplay TSP = The South Pacific EVIDENCE The Various Rules of the Regional Message Board A RMB Etiquette and Rules - Midand B Legislation of the Local Council C Laws Passed by the Local Council The Role Playing Issue: The posts relevant to the consideration begin on page 12,923 of the Regional Message Board and continue onto Page 12,927 and covers nearly 3 hours. D NHC beginning post #1 E NHC Post 2 F NHC Post 3 G NHC Post 4 H NHC Post 5 I NHC Post 6 J NHC Post 8 K NHC Post 9 M NHC Post 10 N NHC Post 11 O The Solar System Scope Indication of RP move following NHC Post 11 P NHC Post 12 Q NHC Post 13 R Concrete Slab's request to move RP following NHC Post 13 S NHC Post 14 T NHC objecting Post 1 U Concrete slabs request 2 V NHC objecting Post 2 W Concrete Slab request 3 X NHC RP post 15 Y NHC objecting Post 3 The remaining posts are included within the original complaint filed by NHC and therefore not included here. DISCUSSION: Background The claim has been made that CS acted corruptedly in suppressing posts by NHC made at and around 07:00 until 10:00(AEDT), 26 November 2018, as noted in Evidence D through Y and the original complaint of NHC. The evidence presented shows RP of at least 15 posts, undertaken by NHC. The Evidence also shows (items O and R) that two LC members, TSSS and CS, indicated a move to a role playing region was required. The evidence provided by NHC to this court suggests that role playing is legal on the site and that there is no indication as to the right to suppress any posts. I contend NHC is a highly valued member of the RMB and the South Pacific. NHC's expert skills at coding, dispatches and RP are without question and I hold NHC in a very dear part of my affections. He has run for office in the LC, participated actively in court and Assembly matters and as a Legislator proven himself to be knowledgeable in the realms of law and legislation. I would contend that as an active member of the legislator Assembly for the past 6 months, NHC would be aware of the laws regarding the RMB. Indeed, the evidence at items V and Y shows that NHC understands the concept of the etiquette of the RMB. There is an RMB etiquette and rules guide pinned to the TSP landing page. prepared by Midand and updated 42 days ago (as of 04:25 27 November 2018 AEDT) (evidence A) which states the current Stance as "RP is currently allowed in the TSP RMB but nations are advised to move it to the Wheres. " (the where's are Knowhere and Psomewhere, TSP's role-playing regions). However, Midand's Guide is only a guide. The Laws of the LC can actually be found in the MATT-DUCK archive, found at Evidence B and C. LCL #2: The RMB Roleplaying Act identifies role-playing as two types and states "Both types of roleplay are legal on the RMB, but are required to move to their allocated roleplay regions after 5 posts. Local Councillors (or other Regional Officers) may suppress posts beyond the allowed 5, and should encourage the usage of our roleplay regions." CS could not have been acting corruptly as he was acting within the laws of the LC which state, again "Local Councillors (or other Regional Officers) may suppress posts beyond the allowed 5". TSSS indicated the RP should move after NHC post 11, CS followed suit after NHC Post 13. If the laws are incorrect or incomplete that is not the fault of CS, the MATT-DUCK is the repository for the laws of the Coalition. In addition, it is only natural for any person to read Legislation as holding more weight than a Guide. CS has admitted that he lost his patience with NHC, and suppressed posts. Which he then un-suppressed. But for this I head to Midand's Guide, as no law exists. Clearly, the posts at Evidence T, V and Y show that NHC held no regard for the respect of the LC as guide rule 10 indicates. Further, spamming the board and failing to follow the legislation and direction of the LC suggests, that the suppression could have be merited under the guide to which NHC relies. An apology was provided by CS to NHC for his actions, and no further action, I suggest, should be considered necessary. I thank you for your time am happy to take any questions from your honourable justices.
For the purposes of easy comprehension could Concrete Slab please review his posts and separate his own replies from the quotations of other players.
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Slab, you are quoting incorrectly.
The RMB etiquette blatantly says that RMB RP is legal. That's a fact. Also, you really shouldn't complain that I'm not helping you, despite that you have admitted to not accepting my help in this post. My opinion was that you have no right to suppress that. Even if that's a fact, which it very well could be, you still disagree with it. My point still stands that you're suppressing posts that disagree with you. Quote:However, Midand's Guide is only a guide. The Laws of the LC can actually be found in the MATT-DUCK archive, found at Evidence B and C.If he suppressed those and used that quote, then I would've accepted it because that's the law. However, the suppressed posts aren't RP, therefore are not illegal by this law. Quote:Clearly, the posts at Evidence T, V and Y show that NHC held no regard for the respect of the LC as guide rule 10 indicates.Disagreement is not disrespect. I was only disagreeing with them. It's not like I'm pinging them with text that says "UR AN ASS". If anything, Slab is being disrespectful towards me, as this post, this post, and this post were offensive and disrespectful (to me). Note that me being American is relevant here. EDIT: To correct a mistake in my original post, I meant to say "unsuppressed" one of the times I said suppressed.
how am i even still a legislator at this point...?
Your Honor,
I wish to inform you that I have been appointed counsel by the complaintant. Midwesterner. Political nerd. Chipotle enthusiast.
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Former Delegate of the South Pacific
Posts outside High Court venues should be taken as those of any other legislator. I do not participate in the regional server, but I am happy to talk through instant messaging or on the forum. Legal Resources: THE MATT-DUCK Law Archive | Mavenu Diplomatic Archive | Rules of the High Court | Case Submission System | Online Rulings Consultation System
(11-26-2018, 03:53 PM)New Haudenosaunee Confederacy Wrote: Slab, you are quoting incorrectly. I would point out to the court that the post referenced is in relation to LC not accepting HNC's campaign advice during the LC election, and suggest that bringing that completely unrelated post in out of context is frivolous and a waste of the Courts time and resources. I was present during the entire exchange, and the literally 7 pages of posts afterwards where NHC and his rp partner continued to roleplay, debate the roleplay, and complain about suppression ad nauseum. In my opinion this entire complaint of to be a simple case of griefing. CS won the election, not NHC and if a new LC wants to adopt a stricter policy on roleplay in the RMB they should be allowed to do so and should also given time to develop their guidelines in writing. They should not not be bound by the guidelines published two LC terms ago. I have sent the court a witness statement. Legislator | Local Councilor | Aspiring TSP Curmudgeon Messages archived by the Ministry Of the Regal Executive - Bureaucratic Services
Quote:I would point out to the court that the post referenced is in relation to LC not accepting HNC's campaign advice during the LC election, and suggest that bringing that completely unrelated post in out of context is frivolous and a waste of the Courts time and resources.My point was that he was being a hypocrite. Quote:CS won the election, not NHC and if a new LC wants to adopt a stricter policy on roleplay in the RMB they should be allowed to do so and should also given time to develop their guidelines in writing.That's very true, but they can't have a policy of "I suppress whatever the hell I want", because I believe that to be corruption, at least in the way Slab uses it, as I already have explained. Also, you seemingly aren't aware that I forfeited the election.
how am i even still a legislator at this point...?
(11-27-2018, 04:33 PM)New Haudenosaunee Confederacy Wrote:Quote:I would point out to the court that the post referenced is in relation to LC not accepting HNC's campaign advice during the LC election, and suggest that bringing that completely unrelated post in out of context is frivolous and a waste of the Courts time and resources.My point was that he was being a hypocrite. No your point was to take a quote on an unrelated topic, and trying to present it as relevant to you having a post suppressed 11 days later. It is not relevant: it's frivolous and unjustified. NHC: you made the RMB a personal RP debate playground - for hours! And now you are filing a frivolous complaint that the LC should never have the power to reign your abuse of the RMB. I was there the entire time - you were the party in the wrong: I firmly believe you trying to involve the court to support you behavior simply contemptible. Your persistent unjustified criticism is a form of bullying that should not be indulged by the court, or frankly by our community. The RMB Guidelines do not justify you being completely rude and disrespectful of every other player in the regional message board by dominating the RMB with your roleplay debate ad nauseum. And as far as your "forfeit" of the LC election: Your name was on the ballot. We don't accually have a way of "forfeiting" short of shutting down a regional poll and restarting it. That did not happen. Perhaps you suspended campaigning since you felt "you couldn't work with CS", but that's simply more evidence of your pre-existing bias and animosity. Legislator | Local Councilor | Aspiring TSP Curmudgeon Messages archived by the Ministry Of the Regal Executive - Bureaucratic Services
Quote:NHC: you made the RMB a personal RP debate playground - for hours! And now you are filing a frivolous complaint that the LC should never have the power to reign your abuse of the RMB.You're complaining about debate, despite the fact that NationStates is literally about politics. The RMB Etiquette guide specifically allows debate: Quote:Debates are cool. We here at TSP like it.In fact, you've pointed out another way that Concrete Slab is suppressing legal posts, not to mention that he was also a part of this debate but only suppressed the posts of the opposition. If he suppresses debate, then his posts also should've been suppressed. Quote:Your persistent unjustified criticism is simply a form of bullying that should not be indulged by the court, or our community.I see so many problems with this one quote. - It is very justified. I've provided evidence. - Having an opinion is not bullying. - Legitimate political debate is not bullying. - If this is to be considered bullying, then so it every other criminal complaint. - I, once again, would like to state that I believe Slab is bullying me. Quote:The RMB Guidelines do not justify you being completely rude and disrespectful...This is a point that can be used against Slab. Also, see my previous list of bullet points. Quote:...dominating the RMB with your roleplay debate ad nauseum.That's not a valid point. While I believe it is untrue, nothing makes it illegal unless it's actual spam, which it isn't. Quote:Your name was on the ballot.Are you sure about that? EDIT: Quote:No your point was to take a quote on an unrelated topic, and trying to present it as relevant to you having a post suppressed 11 days later. It is not relevant: it's frivolous and unjustified.The relevance of it is that Slab is complaining that I'm not doing something he told me to not do.
how am i even still a legislator at this point...?
You are being insincere NHC, you were eliminated in the Second preliminary poll and was still a candidate in the Local Council election.
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