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Arbiter08 · 10-01-2014, 11:13 AM

I think that we should change up the recall procedures a little bit, most notable requiring that at least a second is needed for a recall to go to vote. What does the Assembly think of this?

The Salaxalans · 10-01-2014, 11:55 AM

I agree wholeheartedly. It's a little ridiculous to not need a second; I actually had forgotten it didn't need one.

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Awe · 10-01-2014, 12:34 PM

Also, I'm not sure if this is a good idea, but recalled officials should be prevented temporarily (or permanently, if you'd like) from running for elections.

Just my 2 cents

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**Belschaft** · 10-01-2014, 12:50 PM

If we change anything about recall motions, it should probably be to reduce the required margin from 75% to 60%.

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Penguin · 10-01-2014, 02:18 PM

I think there should be a way to take a recall back. Or at least fight against it. Feel like the ability to call for a recall has been abused and this is ridiculous.

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~~Unibot~~ · 10-01-2014, 02:26 PM

I think there should be the ability for the suggester to withdraw the motion and there should be a requirement for at least a second. That way we prevent the abuse and the inconveniences posed by our current system, which Arbiter08 and Penguin and others have suggested.

Something like this,

Quote:Article 2: Recall Procedures

1. The Assembly may recall any elected or appointed official.
2. Discussions on a recall motion will occur for at least three days.
3. Barring Article 2.2, recalls should follow the normal procedure for regular proposed legislation outlined in The Charter.
4. The official is recalled should 75% of votes cast in favor of such.

Arbiter08 · 10-01-2014, 02:28 PM

(10-01-2014, 12:34 PM)Awe Wrote: Also, I'm not sure if this is a good idea, but recalled officials should be prevented temporarily (or permanently, if you'd like) from running for elections.

Just my 2 cents

I think that if they did a bad enough job as to where they got recalled then they wouldn't win a following election. I don't think that it should be mandated in the Code of Laws.

(10-01-2014, 02:18 PM)Penguin Wrote: I think there should be a way to take a recall back. Or at least fight against it. Feel like the ability to call for a recall has been abused and this is ridiculous.

What if recalls required a second, and if either the original motion or the second were withdrawn then the recall procedure would be terminated?

(10-01-2014, 12:50 PM)Belschaft Wrote: If we change anything about recall motions, it should probably be to reduce the required margin from 75% to 60%.

Makes sense.

QuietDad · 10-01-2014, 02:51 PM

(10-01-2014, 12:50 PM)Belschaft Wrote: If we change anything about recall motions, it should probably be to reduce the required margin from 75% to 60%.

I think it's fine the way it is. A recall needs a real majority. If we were to have the discussion on changing this, I would argue to make it higher, like 85-90%. The truth is sometimes you just elect the wrong person and have to ride it out. It's way to easy to get the Assembly 50/50 on an issue making one person or 2 the swing vote.

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~~Unibot~~ · 10-01-2014, 02:53 PM

Like QuietDad, I also disagree with moving the margin from 75% down to 60%.

Most decisions which involve individuals require a 75% margin.

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75% is also used for Amendments to The Charter.

A reduction from 75% to 60% would be inconsistent. There is good reason for the 75% support level - there is a lot of passion involved with the discussion of individuals. Laws we can talk about as laws, but with people, voters aren't always as objective and that higher threshold has ensured that the recalls, when they do occur, are genuine and validly aimed - not personal whims of the day.

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Andrew · 10-01-2014, 02:53 PM

(10-01-2014, 02:51 PM)QuietDad Wrote:
(10-01-2014, 12:50 PM)Belschaft Wrote: If we change anything about recall motions, it should probably be to reduce the required margin from 75% to 60%.

I think it's fine the way it is. A recall needs a real majority. If we were to have the discussion on changing this, I would argue to make it higher, like 85-90%. The truth is sometimes you just elect the wrong person and have to ride it out. It's way to easy to get the Assembly 50/50 on an issue making one person or 2 the swing vote.

85-90% is abit high