This is up to vote now.

Nonsense. I'm issuing a formal protest at the blatant partisanship of your actions, by bringing a competing version of my resolution to vote, despite a preceding motion to vote. I even made it explicitly clear that my motion wasn't withdrawn - in expectation of you pulling this crap.

There are no laws on the subject on competing bills - it always places the speaker in an odd situation because the law is completely silent on what happens when two bills accomplishing the opposite thing go to vote at the same time and both of them are passed.

There is also an assumption that there is some sort of "motions queue", but there is no such thing defined in the laws.

I would encourage an assemblyperson to approach this subject in a different thread. In my opinion we should, in those situations, have, instead of "Aye", options for each competing bill.

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You had offered edits to your proposal which means your proposal was delayed from reaching vote because there needed to be time to consider those edits to your proposal. G-R's proposal, on the other hand, was not being edited and had been approved, motioned and seconded.

Uni... Come on. It doesn't put you in an odd position, you put yourself there. You are putting to vote the version you agree with, nothing more. In any sense that is fair Bels version would have been voted on before other versions could even exist.

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I feel for Uni on this a bit. He is correct in that there are no concrete guidelines on how to proceed when two competing drafts are motioned for a vote. What if both bills pass? Should the assembly first vote on which of the competing drafts should be considered for final passage?

Come off it Uni, that's complete bollocks and you know it. I proposed a compromise version that tried to reconcile Glen's concerns - he rejected it. At no point did I withdraw my motion to vote, and in fact I explicitly indicated that I had not. Your magical declaration that I withdrew my motion is utter nonsense, makes you look silly, and demeans the office you hold.

Basic parliamentary principle dictates that the first motion is considered first, unless there is pressing reason to skip it - a destructive amendment, for example - and basic courtesy dictates that the person who started a discussion or proposed legislation should have the first shot at bringing something to vote.

Your behavior here is blatantly partisan. Further, seeing how the poll you created has secret votes (against all precedent and TSP standard practice) I believe it to be invalid. I insist that you halt proceedings and bring the motions to the floor in the correct order.

(09-04-2014, 11:59 PM)Rebeltopia Wrote:

(09-04-2014, 01:05 PM)Sandaoguo Wrote: My only concern is antagonizing an ally in a statement where we intend to take a neutral stance. I would really prefer not to "condemn" Lazarus.

The wording is not to condemn Lazarus (and Osiris) as a region, but the actions of high officials within the region.

I totally get the desire here to call out both sides. But the reality is that we're allied with Lazarus, and Osiris is borderline hostile to us. Sending out a statement that condemns Lazarus (or the high-ranking officials in Lazarus) will merely be used as war propaganda -- "even your allies think you're extremists!!"

@Belschaft: Regarding public/private votes, the poll can easily be edited to make the poll public.

(09-05-2014, 12:05 PM)Sandaoguo Wrote: @Belschaft: Regarding public/private votes, the poll can easily be edited to make the poll public.

Which still does nothing of the egregious and blatantly partisan behavior of Unibot in this matter.

I think it's important to acknowledge that both sides are responsible parties to this conflict otherwise we are taking pretty solid sides which is the opposite of what we are trying to accomplish.

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I understand the complaints on the subject, and they are valid complaints. But whats the solution to this? What do we do when two competing proposals are motioned? Maybe this is a topic for a different thread?