Escade, please feel free to reread my original post. You can put your fingers in your ears and shout louder than me but to continue to claim he is a friend of mine and I'm complicit with his actions is insane and completely unfair. And yes, I waited until there was concrete proof until I denounced his actions. That's not jumping on a bandwagon, that's called judging with evidence.

That's why I attacked the culture of behind closed doors scheming. Bels was involved in it too, more than anyone. I'm including him in it, and I wish I would have been more of a critic of this type of behavior sooner, but I only realised the dangers of it recently, not because I gave someone a pass and not someone else. If you want another example, I supported when Hile removed him from the admin team, which was over shadowed by other admin drama later on.

In fact, I like professor henn, and I took the time to critique his involvement in this sort of back door dealing loudly. So remind me where I give free passes to people I like again?

You know this too, but you have no interest in fairness. Our justice system is a joke because of tactics to circumvent it. Maybe it wouldn't be a joke if more people advocated for its use. I don't think it's a joke and if people think it's a joke they should try to talk about reform instead of avoiding justice.

It's funny how my name never gets brought up in any of these "smoking gun logs". You'd think after tons of log posting that if Bels was half the friend of mine you love to lie that he was that my name world be anywhere in the logs.

I've made this same post too many times. Every post I make, regardless with how little it has to do with Bels that's all you focus on and you use it to try to tie my name with his.

I'm not going to stand for it. It makes my time here incredibly unfun to spend my time repeatedly defending myself over something I have nothing to do with.

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First, let me just ask for calm here. Let's try to stick with the topic at hand rather than bring in all sorts of grievances from the past.

Edit: Apparently I was under the wrong impression -- as I was angrily corrected. Apologies.

I'm going to defend myself if someone accuses me in every thread I post in about how I'm complicit with Bels actions.

You were actually involved with brave little toaster and you get no grief about this, yet I'm a repeat target of this nonsense.

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Instead of stating exactly what you want to do at this point to improve the TSP culture, you choose to attack me ad hominem and refer to me like some hysterical child. That's a trend too, isn't it?

What I'm referring to is beginning in the past when the cabinet details of how you even chose me as MoRA came out (you were thinking about me or Ryccia and Belschaft told you to pick me because at least I wasn't 12 and he hoped that being in office would shut me up or whatever). Saying that you weren't affiliated with him is one thing, the actual way you and others operate allowed for him to operate even when I, for example, brought up IRC logs of him trying to use an article to ban UDL and therefore ban GR and Unibot.

Yes, that did happen but you are going to ignore that you didn't really care then. The only CSS member that said, "This is wrong," was DruggedMonkeys. Everyone else either pretended there wasn't an issue because that was easier or made excuses for the behavior.

So when I see you talking about changing the culture, I don't trust or have faith in your words. I mean want to talk details? Wolf is a close friend of Belschaft's (if you aren't on TNP forums then you should join up so you can see the lovebirds in action), he came to this region to help Belschaft, he ran for MoFa against GR to help fulfill Belchaft's plan to rid the world\TSP of GR\defenders\people who don't lick his soles\etc and then...he dissappeared. Who did you support in this enterprise? The person you claim to admire or the buddy of the person you claim to have no affiliation with? Let's not even go into the fake little "We LOVE OBT club" that Wolf and others partook in and your comments in there.

Therefore, it's pretty impossible to hold forthright conversation with someone who refuses to be forthright and hides behind political words.

Also, your focus on the Justice system is BS. Utter nonsense. What's going on with the court system today, can you even tell anyone? Oh are you the one who's going to fix the insane amount of issues with how it works, the fact that many of its laws were created by someone intending to misuse them, or what? Or that in no region in NS does the court system work the way you believe it should?

Again actions that don't coincide with words or people who talk a lot about "what should be" but seem to have no actual concrete plans and just engage in nebulous warnings of doom and gloom seem to draw my attention. (Never mind that you ignored the whole discussion of vote stacking in the MoFA election and outside influence because again you're going to ignore it even though there's enough data to show something's off unless you get admissions of guilt from the people involved.)

I mean your biggest defense seems to be that I haven't said anything to Tsunamy? Does that work in court systems? "Hey guys, he seems to have stolen from the cookie jar as well..." LOL.

Oh yeah and I guess I said all this before:
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=257183


But hey, don't mind me...I think my corset is too tight and its causing me to have a lack of oxygen or something so therefore my feminine child brain can't handle...something....

Escade

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(This post was last modified: 06-26-2015, 10:48 AM by Rebeltopia.)

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.........Are we finished? I see no reason to prolong this discussion, if you have a bone to pick with someone, take it somewhere else. This is a thread that discusses about Henn's place as Minister, and we shall only discuss about that.

Now that that's said, I would like to motion this to a vote

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Escade, Southern Bells, I would like to ask that you take this... conversation... to a PM or IRC query. We get both of your points, and frankly I don't want to see anymore of it. This is a thread about recalling ProfessorHenn, not your endless debate between each other. So please, take it elsewhere.

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Are we finished? Then we motion this to a vote

I second, and then when the mandatory 5 days for discussion passes then Far can take this to a vote.

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Hear, hear.

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Escade, Southern Bells, I would like to ask that you take this... conversation... to a PM or IRC query. We get both of your points, and frankly I don't want to see anymore of it. This is a thread about recalling ProfessorHenn, not your endless debate between each other. So please, take it elsewhere.

It's kinda sad when I make a pessimistic prediction about this sort of thing and it comes true. See page 2.

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(This post was last modified: 06-26-2015, 02:46 PM by th0r3s0n.)

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It's kinda sad when I make a pessimistic prediction about this sort of thing and it comes true. See page 2.

This page?

Change your settings to 50 posts per page and thank me later. It is much better.

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It's kinda sad when I make a pessimistic prediction about this sort of thing and it comes true. See page 2.

This page?

Change your settings to 50 posts per page and thank me later. It is much better.

I've actually got mine set to 25 in case of really long posts.

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