Heck, while we're at it, lets completely axe 'affairs' for good and change "Ministry/Minister of Foreign Affairs" to "Ministry/Minister of Diplomacy".

I just don't see it as necessary.  

Agreed.

Military affairs -- what in the world are those? How is that any different than just "military"? The term used by the vast majority of RL countries is Ministry of Defense. Plus we can use it without confusion now that we actually are defender!

Foreign affairs -- there's no other phrase that means the same thing. There's no single word for "foreign-stuff". The US Department of State is named that way because it handles some "matters of state" that are not specifically about foreign affairs, but the vast majority of other RL countries use Ministry of Foreign Affairs, even when none of their other executive departments include the word "affairs". We've extended "affairs" to all the ministries because of a misinterpretation of the structure of the term "Ministry of Foreign Affairs". It's not "ministry of" + topic + "affairs". It's "ministry of" + topic, and that topic just happens to be "foreign affairs" for MoFA. 

Put another way: MoRA administers the region; MoMA administers the military. MoFA does not administer the foreign (whatever that might mean). For the former two, the "affairs" is nonessential and can be removed without changing the meaning. For the latter, it's meaningful.

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I think that another big question if we split MoRA is that, do we make 3 more discord severs or do we keep in all in one centralized server? Personally, I think that there is a simple answer to this. Just do exactly what we have right now in the MoRA server, but just make separate parts that are locked to peps who don't have the correct role. So say that I have the "Culture" role, I won't be able to access the Media section of the server. And vis versa. But I also think that we should keep the #fellow-lounge channel as a way for members of the 3 different departments to be able to discuss or collaborate on things (For example, say that the Ministry of Culture is hosting an event, but they need a cool logo, they can ask in the channel if the Ministry of Engagement would be able to make one for them). 

Another thing I would like to bring up is that in the proposed amendments that Somy wrote, we end up having a 6 vote cabinet which, isn't very good as a vote can finished tied 3-3.  However with an un-even number, a vote can never end up as a tie. So personally, I really liked the idea of have a Local Council representative be a part of the cabinet. This is good for a number of reasons. One, we have a 7 vote cabinet meaning that no votes can result in a tie. Second, it will be a way for the Local Council to have input on the major government decisions because as of right now, the LC acts almost as a completely separate branch of the government with little to no input on the rest of the government's actions. 

Finally, I've made my own version of the amendment to the Charter (it is taking Somy's and putting my own twist on it):
 

VI. THE EXECUTIVE Establishing an executive branch consisting of the Prime Minister and the Cabinet.

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(2) The Cabinet will consist of ministers with the following portfolios: Foreign Affairs, Regional Affairs, and Military Affairs Culture, Integration, Media, and Defense, along with a representative from the Local Council.

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Minister of Regional Affairs

(7) The Minister of Regional Affairs will be responsible for promoting regional and forum activity, integrating new players into the forums, organizing cultural events, and communicating with the world about the South Pacific’s activities.

Minister of Culture

(7) The Minister of Culture will be responsible for supporting the roleplay community in hosting festivals and roleplay related activities along with organizing regional cultural activities such as events, exchanges and festivals both domestically and abroad with our allied regions.

Minister of Integration

(8) The Minister of Integration will be responsible for recruiting and integrating new players into the Coalition's government and community, maintaining public infrastructure such as dispatches, announcements, forum posts and other guides, setting unified presentation standards, and providing graphics to the government and citizens of the Coalition.

Minister of Media

(9) The Minister of Media will be responsible for overseeing the regular publication of government sponsored public media, including news content, in the South Pacific though both forums posts and regional dispatches making them accessible to anyone.

Local Council Representative

(10) The Local Council Representative will represent the views of the Local Council in votes and debates in the Cabinet but they may not represent their own personal views when in their position.

(11) However when not in their role as Representative, they may express their views and opinions as a free citizen.

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Minister of Military AffairsDefense

(13) The Minister of Military AffairsDefense will be the civilian leader of the armed forces of the Coalition, the South Pacific Special Forces. In conjunction with a group of Generals, the Minister of Military AffairsDefense will be responsible for the defense of the Coalition, building military activity, and conducting military operations.

(14) The Minister of Military AffairsDefense may elect to establish an intelligence office, in equal coordination with the Council on Regional Security.

Also, from some discussion we've had in the Discord server, i've seen multiple people bring up the fact that "Integration" doesn't work fully. So although I'm using it in the amendment above, I think I could be changed. I thought maybe we could name it the "Ministry of the Interior"  because it's purpose is to upkeep the current infrastructure along with creating new infrastructure (When I say "infrastructure", I am referring to dispatches, graphics,  forum posts, announcements etc...). 

Last thing. I think that Clause 10 could be changed from: "(10) The Local Council Representative will represent the views of the Local Council in votes and debates in the Cabinet but they may not represent their own personal views when in their position." which is what I've put in the amendment, to this: "(10) The Local Council Representative will represent the views of the Local Council and the RMB in votes and debates in the Cabinet but they may not represent their own personal views when in their position.". Let me know if I should change this and/or the thing in the paragraph above.

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lack of freedom to projects.

Can you further elaborate on this, what projects did it happen and when?


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Looks like I see two lines of thoughts here
- All RA departments under one ministry with central direction from the Minister allows for effective communication between them at the cost of the minister having heavy workload and reduce the wider community’s ability to choose its favorite policies on a specific RA area (e.g. when you vote for a MoRA, you may like his integration policy but dislike his culture policy, you have to make tradeoff between candidates) Potential solution: Pursuit the policy of deputy ministers but allow people to apply for deputies via application and allow deputies to come up with their own policies. This relieves pressure of being perfect on everything for the minister while still allow effective central coordination when needed.
- A split relieves the responsibility of the minister and allow leaders of respective departments to pursuit their own policies and allow the wider community to decide on those policies but in-exchange, reduces communication efficiency between departments and requires cabinet-level coordination (this assumes the MoRA minister is working like a mini-PM) Potential solution: A joint server for all RA-related departments allows for easy cross-staff communication. If the aforementioned assumption is true, it should be alright for the PM to be the central coordination guy since integration, media, and culture are actually different (1)

(1): Someone with more experience please tell me, what do media, culture, and integration share in common?

In my opinion, they are totally different, both in skills and in plans. The only reason people seem to treat them as the same stuff is because the current MoRA structure makes people or to be more precise, notable people have to be relevant in most or all of these areas. From my experience in MoRA, those who prefer to work on integration don’t usually work on media or culture and vice versa. For notable members, you have them work in perhaps two departments at once but not all. This may need conclusive proofs through, I may have to run through the MoRA discord to collect role statistics.

The only things shared between those areas are their needs of graphics and coordinated promotion (so is MA and FA which proves they need their own institutions, especially integration)

I used to be anti-split based on the communication efficiency and “the people will still be the same” arguments. This is true in the short run, but the long run, clear differences in staff between institutions will happen. I very much prefer this as I firmly believe you are the most efficient when you do one or very few things at once. Real-life experience and NS have proven me times and times again the more things you do at once and the more different they are the less their quality will be.  

Your excellency, it happened in my milograd coup documentary project and many of the young fellows like me have experienced it a lot. In the 'I' day festival a poetry contest was in fixture and I was going to handle it, but suddenly it was changed to music and hence you aren't given the freedom to make projects. My milograd coup documentary project was first denied and then allowed, but it was indirectly discouraged by few saying 'I didn't liked WI [Whole India]'s style.' 

Whole India, you could have told me. In the final stages of Independence Day planning, I asked Swifty if your poetry contest was still happening. He said you didn't want to do it. The music contest was a completely different idea.

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lack of freedom to projects.

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Your excellency, it happened in my milograd coup documentary project and many of the young fellows like me have experienced it a lot. In the 'I' day festival a poetry contest was in fixture and I was going to handle it, but suddenly it was changed to music and hence you aren't given the freedom to make projects. My milograd coup documentary project was first denied and then allowed, but it was indirectly discouraged by few saying 'I didn't liked WI [Whole India]'s style.'   

Whole India, you could have told me. In the final stages of Independence Day planning, I asked Swifty if your poetry contest was still happening. He said you didn't want to do it. The music contest was a completely different idea.  

yea WI, you hadn't been active in the entire of the planning process and we asked you 3 times if you we're still going to host it. but you never answered. So the night before the start of the event, because we had no response from you. we had to take it off the calendar. And if you did want to host it, you could have told us during the event about what was going to happen with it but you never did. and if i am correct, royal please fact check me on this, you didn't actually end up showing up for the event that you were helping to plan so, i don't what more to say.

ps: i'm using snip in some of the quotes because otherwise, this post would take up half the page.

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I don't want to waive debate time, because this is a big proposal. But I'll do a WA-style "last call" on the current draft, found here. I'll motion this to vote at the end of the required four days, unless anyone has additional edits.

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(7) The Minister of Culture will be responsible for supporting the roleplay community in hosting festivals and roleplay related activities along with organizing regional cultural activities such as events, exchanges and festivals both domestically and abroad with our allied regions.

I'm not supportive of this languaging. How are we to define "allied"? That limits the scope of activities that a theoretical Ministry of Culture can do with other regions. Take TWP for example. We don't have a treaty with them, but we worked with them to organize Pacific-Con. It should just be written saying that the Ministry would organize activities with other regions, not necessarily allied.

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(7) The Minister of Culture will be responsible for supporting the roleplay community in hosting festivals and roleplay related activities along with organizing regional cultural activities such as events, exchanges and festivals both domestically and abroad with our allied regions.

I'm not supportive of this languaging. How are we to define "allied"? That limits the scope of activities that a theoretical Ministry of Culture can do with other regions. Take TWP for example. We don't have a treaty with them, but we worked with them to organize Pacific-Con. It should just be written saying that the Ministry would organize activities with other regions, not necessarily allied.

How about "mutual" or "recognized" as better terms for it?

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(7) The Minister of Culture will be responsible for supporting the roleplay community in hosting festivals and roleplay related activities along with organizing regional cultural activities such as events, exchanges and festivals both domestically and abroad with our allied regions.

I'm not supportive of this languaging. How are we to define "allied"? That limits the scope of activities that a theoretical Ministry of Culture can do with other regions. Take TWP for example. We don't have a treaty with them, but we worked with them to organize Pacific-Con. It should just be written saying that the Ministry would organize activities with other regions, not necessarily allied. 

How about "mutual" or "recognized" as better terms for it? 

This has already been resolved [see Discord].

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I'd recommend introducing the Minister of Defense idea in a separate proposal just so it won't go down with the ship if the rest isn't as popular.

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I agree with Whole India, we could have them under MoRA, but have separate ministers, kind of like SoS in MoFA. Or it could be split into Culture, Graphics, and Education.

SoSes in the MoFA are not even slightly similar to being Ministers of sub-ministries within the main Ministry. SoSes in the MoFA are not heading a sub-ministry, they are essentially senior Ambassadors to the regions they are appointed to, are there to supervise and support the Ambassadors working with them and to work alongside them where possible and appropriate to do so.

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