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Rabbitz · 08-26-2020, 10:53 AM

(08-26-2020, 05:29 AM)Whole India Wrote:
(08-25-2020, 01:26 PM)Somyrion Wrote: I don't understand the fixation on having an odd or an even number of Cabinet votes.
(08-25-2020, 01:43 PM)phoenixofthesun14 Wrote: I have a proposal for the immediate so we can pass it (and then we can do a resolution so that it doesn't take effect until October essentially (though I'm not good at writing, so I won't try, but I can outline it and let another legislator who can actually write laws and such do so.

We can pass the resolution with the proposal. Also I too have the proposal and this one is better than the last one. So we would have following Ministers and Ministries:

Prime Minister
Ministry of Foreign Affairs [Minister of Foreign Affairs] [MOFA]
Ministry of Military Affairs [Minister of Military Affairs] [MOMA]
Ministry of Regional Affairs (Cultural Department, Roleplay Department, Integration Department) [Minister of Regional Affairs] [MORA]
Ministry of Information and News Affairs [Minister of Information and Press Affairs] [MINA]

Having Culture and Integration in one Ministry seems like a bit of a heavy workload. One of the main reasons why our Integration isn't as good is because our Minister can't manage Culturural stuff (events and roleplay) and Integrational stuff (projects, dispatches, Wiki etc.) without giving up at least one to effectively be good at the other. That is why I believe that the split should occur between Culture and Integration to split the workload.

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Ambassador to Osiris and TWP (4/3/20 - 7/8/20)
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MoE Leadership (10/14/20 - 11/1/21)

**Somyrion** · 08-26-2020, 05:59 PM

Okay, here's a draft. I went for something that's as simple as possible while aligning as closely as possible to the expressed preferences of everyone who's been involved in this thread. Incorporates the following:

Separating culture and integration, as we basically all agreed
No separate departments -- as much as they sound cool, it means another new structure and accompanying bit of complexity that honestly isn't worth it right now
Seraph's desire to stop using "affairs" (also because without "Defense" we have two MAs)
Prarie's idea of putting graphics with engagement
Phoenix's desire for a separate body for media
Rabbitz's desire for a full ministry for media as opposed to a department
Viet's point that integration includes dispatches, guides, themes, etc. and is really about infrastructure

The Charter of the Coalition of the South Pacific Wrote:VI. THE EXECUTIVE

Establishing an executive branch consisting of the Prime Minister and the Cabinet.

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(2) The Cabinet will consist of ministers with the following portfolios: Foreign Affairs, Regional Affairs, and Military Affairs Culture, Engagement, Media, and Defense.

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Minister of Regional Affairs

(7) The Minister of Regional Affairs will be responsible for promoting regional and forum activity, integrating new players into the forums, organizing cultural events, and communicating with the world about the South Pacific’s activities.

Minister of Culture

(7) The Minister of Culture will be responsible for supporting the roleplay community and organizing regional cultural activities, events, and exchanges.

Minister of Engagement

(8) The Minister of Engagement will be responsible for recruiting and integrating new players into the Coalition's government and community, maintaining public infrastructure such as dispatches and other guides, setting unified presentation standards, and providing graphics to the government and citizens of the Coalition.

Minister of Media

(9) The Minister of Media will be responsible for overseeing the regular publication of public media, including news content, in the South Pacific.

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Minister of Military AffairsDefense

(11) The Minister of Military AffairsDefense will be the civilian leader of the armed forces of the Coalition, the South Pacific Special Forces. In conjunction with a group of Generals, the Minister of Military AffairsDefense will be responsible for the defense of the Coalition, building military activity, and conducting military operations.

(12) The Minister of Military AffairsDefense may elect to establish an intelligence office, in equal coordination with the Council on Regional Security.

Enabling Resolution Wrote:
Assembly Resolution on the Effect of the Amendment to Article VI of the Charter
A resolution postponing the establishment of the Ministries of Engagement, Culture, and Media
The Assembly of the Coalition of the South Pacific resolves the following upon passage of the Amendment to Article VI of the Charter:

(1) The Amendment to Article VI of the Charter shall not enter into effect until the commencement of the next Cabinet elections.

(2) The incumbent Minister of Regional Affairs shall complete the rest of their term.

(3) The Ministers of Culture, Engagement, and Media shall be elected in accordance with the Election Act and coincide with the election of all other Cabinet ministers.

+ also the amendments to the Elections Act, Charter, and Military code posted here by Rabbitz.

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North Prarie · 08-26-2020, 06:20 PM

(08-26-2020, 05:59 PM)Somyrion Wrote: Okay, here's a draft. I went for something that's as simple as possible while aligning as closely as possible to the expressed preferences of everyone who's been involved in this thread. Incorporates the following:
Separating culture and integration, as we basically all agreed

No separate departments -- as much as they sound cool, it means another new structure and accompanying bit of complexity that honestly isn't worth it right now

Seraph's desire to stop using "affairs" (also because without "Defense" we have two MAs)

Prarie's idea of putting graphics with engagement

Phoenix's desire for a separate body for media

Rabbitz's desire for a full ministry for media as opposed to a department

Viet's point that integration includes dispatches, guides, themes, etc. and is really about infrastructure

The Charter of the Coalition of the South Pacific Wrote:VI. THE EXECUTIVEEstablishing an executive branch consisting of the Prime Minister and the Cabinet.

...

(2) The Cabinet will consist of ministers with the following portfolios: Foreign Affairs, Regional Affairs, and Military Affairs Culture, Engagement, Media, and Defense.

...

Minister of Regional Affairs

(7) The Minister of Regional Affairs will be responsible for promoting regional and forum activity, integrating new players into the forums, organizing cultural events, and communicating with the world about the South Pacific’s activities.Minister of Culture

(7) The Minister of Culture will be responsible for supporting the roleplay community and organizing regional cultural activities, events, and exchanges.

Minister of Engagement

(8) The Minister of Engagement will be responsible for recruiting and integrating new players into the Coalition's government and community, maintaining public infrastructure such as dispatches and other guides, setting unified presentation standards, and providing graphics to the government and citizens of the Coalition.

Minister of Media

(9) The Minister of Media will be responsible for overseeing the regular publication of news and other media in the South Pacific.

...

Minister of Military AffairsDefense

(11) The Minister of Military AffairsDefense will be the civilian leader of the armed forces of the Coalition, the South Pacific Special Forces. In conjunction with a group of Generals, the Minister of Military AffairsDefense will be responsible for the defense of the Coalition, building military activity, and conducting military operations.

(12) The Minister of Military AffairsDefense may elect to establish an intelligence office, in equal coordination with the Council on Regional Security.
Enabling Resolution Wrote:
Assembly Resolution on the Effect of the Amendment to Article VI of the Charter
A resolution postponing the establishment of the Ministries of Engagement, Culture, and Media
The Assembly of the Coalition of the South Pacific resolves the following upon passage of the Amendment to Article VI of the Charter:

(1) The Amendment to Article VI of the Charter shall not enter into effect until the commencement of the next Cabinet elections.

(2) The incumbent Minister of Regional Affairs shall complete the rest of their term.

(3) The Minister of Integration Affairs shall be elected in accordance with the Election Act and coincide with the election of all other Cabinet ministers.

Ooh, this looks good! Only query - what's the point for Article 3 of the Resolution? There isn't a Minister of Integration Affairs, and their election should be with everyone else's, which seems obvious.

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**Somyrion** · 08-26-2020, 06:57 PM

(08-26-2020, 06:20 PM)North Prarie Wrote: Ooh, this looks good! Only query - what's the point for Article 3 of the Resolution? There isn't a Minister of Integration Affairs, and their election should be with everyone else's, which seems obvious.

Oh, whoops, I copied that from the continuing resolution of Jay's draft way back when. Have fixed.

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and then your heart/identity!

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Rabbitz · 08-26-2020, 09:12 PM

(08-26-2020, 05:59 PM)Somyrion Wrote: setting unified presentation standards,

"presentational standards"

This sounds better to me.

Also...

Here's all the addendums we would have to make considering the name change:

Amendment to the Military Code Wrote:
Military Code
An act establishing the rules and regulations of military forces
1. General Corps

(1) The General Corps is a commission comprising up to three Commanders and the Minister of Military AffairsDefense. A Commander on the General Corps shall be called a General.

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(3) In case of a vacancy on the General Corps, the Minister of Military AffairsDefense may appoint a Commander with approval by the Assembly to become a General. Should there be no Generals, the military shall not operate except for the self-defense of the South Pacific, for the defense of an ally, or for the purposes of explicit treaty obligations.

Amendment to the Elections Act Wrote:
Elections Act
An act establishing elections for office

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3. Office of the Delegate

(3) After receiving the top candidates in the forum election, an Election Commissioner will create a week-long regional poll accessible to Native World Assembly members, instructing them to vote for their preferred candidate.
a. A Dispatch containing the campaigns of all candidates will be created to aid voters in their choice.
b. Members of the South Pacific Special Forces who are on deployment for the whole duration of the regional poll are eligible to cast a vote. The Minister of Military AffairsDefense shall provide a list of deployed personnel to the Election Commissioner.

Amendment to the Charter of the South Pacific Wrote:
Charter of the South Pacific
Preamble

The Assembly of the Coalition of the South Pacific, representing our diverse community, convenes to establish this fundamental law of our region, to uphold democratic principles and rights, and provide for the security of our unified community both on the forums and in the game.

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IX. The Council on Regional Security

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(12) The Council on Regional Security shall designate an individual as Intelligence Coordinator, who must be notified of and approve all intelligence and counter-intelligence operations. The Intelligence Coordinator will be responsible for disseminating any and all intelligence to the Council on Regional Security and other bodies as needed. The Intelligence Coordinator and the Minister of Military AffairsDefense will maintain a regional intelligence classification system as necessary for ensuring information security.
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X. Military

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(2) The military will be led by the Minister of Military AffairsDefense, along with a corps of generals appointed by the Minister and approved by the Assembly. The Minister and general corps may establish further hierarchy, create programs, and appoint deputies as they see necessary.

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(4) The Minister of Military AffairsDefense will coordinate with the Minister of Foreign Affairs, to ensure that no military activities harm the government’s diplomatic affairs or public relations.

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Senior Fellow of Integration (12/20/20 - 2/19/20)
Fellow (1/12/19 - ~10/14/20)
Ambassador to Osiris and TWP (4/3/20 - 7/8/20)
Legislator (1/19/19 - 11/1/21)
Chair of the Assembly (6/23/20 - 9/3/20)
Secretary of State (7/8/20 - 2/4/21 | 6/14/21 - 11/1/21)
Deputy of Media (2/14/21 - 11/1/21)
Ambassador to TNP and Lazarus (6/14/21 - 10/22/21)
MoE Leadership (10/14/20 - 11/1/21)

**Belschaft** · 08-26-2020, 09:17 PM

How the bloody hell did you all end up back at the "Let's create three new ministries!" idea?

The Assembly has historically shown no interest in such a dramatic expansion of the Cabinet. If you don't want to waste lots of your own time you really should settle on one new ministry.

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Rabbitz · 08-26-2020, 09:43 PM

(08-26-2020, 09:17 PM)Belschaft Wrote: The Assembly has historically shown no interest in such a dramatic expansion of the Cabinet. If you don't want to waste lots of your own time you really should settle on one new ministry.

And it has been clearly shown that one person cannot possible handle managing all of MoRA even with deputies. If our sub-Ministries under MoRA cannot function to their fullest potential while being under one Ministry, then why aren't we trying to separate them?

In addition, if we really wanted one Ministry, then why did the Assembly waste their time trying to split MoRA in the last debate? I'm pretty sure more than one proposal proposed asked for the creation of at least two or more Ministries.

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Fellow (1/12/19 - ~10/14/20)
Ambassador to Osiris and TWP (4/3/20 - 7/8/20)
Legislator (1/19/19 - 11/1/21)
Chair of the Assembly (6/23/20 - 9/3/20)
Secretary of State (7/8/20 - 2/4/21 | 6/14/21 - 11/1/21)
Deputy of Media (2/14/21 - 11/1/21)
Ambassador to TNP and Lazarus (6/14/21 - 10/22/21)
MoE Leadership (10/14/20 - 11/1/21)

**Belschaft** · 08-26-2020, 09:45 PM

Yes. Notice how none of them passed....

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Rabbitz · 08-26-2020, 09:50 PM

(08-26-2020, 09:45 PM)Belschaft Wrote: Yes. Notice how none of them passed....

Mainly because there was an opposition of which I was apart of. We were all tired of the debate, the Sunshine Act was invoked, a whistle was blown, the opposition stood in anger and defiance at the split proposals, what did you think would happen if one of the proposals went to vote? Since the tides have calmed and some anti-splitters now see the light (i.e. me), I think a proposal being passed is now much more viable than it was before. Also, I doubt the original debaters of the split argument are gonna suddenly become anti-splitters considering they contributed immensely to the creation of the proposals and their general discussion.

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Ambassador to Osiris and TWP (4/3/20 - 7/8/20)
Legislator (1/19/19 - 11/1/21)
Chair of the Assembly (6/23/20 - 9/3/20)
Secretary of State (7/8/20 - 2/4/21 | 6/14/21 - 11/1/21)
Deputy of Media (2/14/21 - 11/1/21)
Ambassador to TNP and Lazarus (6/14/21 - 10/22/21)
MoE Leadership (10/14/20 - 11/1/21)

**Jay Coop** · 08-26-2020, 10:12 PM

I think we should just split events off into a Ministry of Culture and call it a day.

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