While I'm all for accountability, I do think the morphing of this discussion from "private voting" to "HoW dO wE kNoW tHe ElEcTiOn CoMmIsIon IsN't RiGgInG tHe ElEcTiOn?" a bit problematic.

No no no no, we all trust your job, we are just saying if secret ballots happen this can happen and we are not doubting you work.  

Agreed. I think I'm with Kris in that its the tone/phrasing of some of the comment rather than the actual concern.

Again, though, the way to do this would be for there to be at least two ECs so there's a check. 

Yes, two ECs is a good idea but we still can't be sure these two people are not keeping secrets from us. I think some legislation ought to be introduced if we move to private voting to prevent that from happening, I don't think it is enough to just trust them because if something does happen, what punishment mechanism have we got in place? Without legislation, none.

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Another possible way to try to prevent rigging would be, say I want to vote by private ballot. I could send a DM or whatever to the EC telling them this. And then, the EC could send we the link to some sort of a pre-made google doc or google form where you would put you vote, but then also put your Nation, your Forum username and possibly sign a waiver that says something along the lines of "I will not cheat, duplicate or vote for other people", something like that. And then as a final layer of precaution, when you reach out to the EC asking for a private ballot, he/she may give you a code, a series of letter and numbers, almost like a password. When you are filling out the form, it asks you for this special "key/code" and you enter the one that the EC gave you. This can be a final layer of security because if there is twice the same code or a code that doesn't exist/the EC didn't give out, you can be sure that something fishy is going on. And then for the EC rigging the ballot, if rigging is suspected, the EC will be required to show how many code/keys he gave out and to which people,  and then you can cross-reference/cross-check the codes with those submitted through the private ballot google form.

idk, just an idea.

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While I'm all for accountability, I do think the morphing of this discussion from "private voting" to "HoW dO wE kNoW tHe ElEcTiOn CoMmIsIon IsN't RiGgInG tHe ElEcTiOn?" a bit problematic.

No no no no, we all trust your job, we are just saying if secret ballots happen this can happen and we are not doubting you work.    

Agreed. I think I'm with Kris in that its the tone/phrasing of some of the comment rather than the actual concern.

Again, though, the way to do this would be for there to be at least two ECs so there's a check.   

Yes, two ECs is a good idea but we still can't be sure these two people are not keeping secrets from us. I think some legislation ought to be introduced if we move to private voting to prevent that from happening, I don't think it is enough to just trust them because if something does happen, what punishment mechanism have we got in place? Without legislation, none.  

I feel like a lot of this thread is ignoring that private voting is already available and has been for years >_>

Might be interesting to have all private voting with the default being that the ballots are made public after.

(This post was last modified: 08-30-2020, 10:20 AM by Nakari.)

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While I'm all for accountability, I do think the morphing of this discussion from "private voting" to "HoW dO wE kNoW tHe ElEcTiOn CoMmIsIon IsN't RiGgInG tHe ElEcTiOn?" a bit problematic.

No no no no, we all trust your job, we are just saying if secret ballots happen this can happen and we are not doubting you work.     

Agreed. I think I'm with Kris in that its the tone/phrasing of some of the comment rather than the actual concern.

Again, though, the way to do this would be for there to be at least two ECs so there's a check.    

Yes, two ECs is a good idea but we still can't be sure these two people are not keeping secrets from us. I think some legislation ought to be introduced if we move to private voting to prevent that from happening, I don't think it is enough to just trust them because if something does happen, what punishment mechanism have we got in place? Without legislation, none.   

I feel like a lot of this thread is ignoring that private voting is already available and has been for years >_>

Might be interesting to have all private voting with the default being that the ballots are made public after. 

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While I'm all for accountability, I do think the morphing of this discussion from "private voting" to "HoW dO wE kNoW tHe ElEcTiOn CoMmIsIon IsN't RiGgInG tHe ElEcTiOn?" a bit problematic.

No no no no, we all trust your job, we are just saying if secret ballots happen this can happen and we are not doubting you work.    

Agreed. I think I'm with Kris in that its the tone/phrasing of some of the comment rather than the actual concern.

Again, though, the way to do this would be for there to be at least two ECs so there's a check.   

Yes, two ECs is a good idea but we still can't be sure these two people are not keeping secrets from us. I think some legislation ought to be introduced if we move to private voting to prevent that from happening, I don't think it is enough to just trust them because if something does happen, what punishment mechanism have we got in place? Without legislation, none.  

Another option EC shall have 5 members 2 election commissioners one member from CRS and the last one the Chief Justice/associate justice

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While I'm all for accountability, I do think the morphing of this discussion from "private voting" to "HoW dO wE kNoW tHe ElEcTiOn CoMmIsIon IsN't RiGgInG tHe ElEcTiOn?" a bit problematic.

No no no no, we all trust your job, we are just saying if secret ballots happen this can happen and we are not doubting you work.      

Agreed. I think I'm with Kris in that its the tone/phrasing of some of the comment rather than the actual concern.

Again, though, the way to do this would be for there to be at least two ECs so there's a check.     

Yes, two ECs is a good idea but we still can't be sure these two people are not keeping secrets from us. I think some legislation ought to be introduced if we move to private voting to prevent that from happening, I don't think it is enough to just trust them because if something does happen, what punishment mechanism have we got in place? Without legislation, none.    

Another option EC shall have 5 members 2 election commissioners one member from CRS and the last one the Chief Justice/associate justice  

........what?
The EC is a CRS member, not a commission. This is needless bureaucracy.

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I definitely like the idea of releasing all votes after the election by default if we do go to all private ballots, but I think people should still have an option to keep their votes private even after the election.

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No no no no, we all trust your job, we are just saying if secret ballots happen this can happen and we are not doubting you work.      

Agreed. I think I'm with Kris in that its the tone/phrasing of some of the comment rather than the actual concern.

Again, though, the way to do this would be for there to be at least two ECs so there's a check.      

Yes, two ECs is a good idea but we still can't be sure these two people are not keeping secrets from us. I think some legislation ought to be introduced if we move to private voting to prevent that from happening, I don't think it is enough to just trust them because if something does happen, what punishment mechanism have we got in place? Without legislation, none.     

Another option EC shall have 5 members 2 election commissioners one member from CRS and the last one the Chief Justice/associate justice   

........what?
The EC is a CRS member, not a commission. This is needless bureaucracy. 

I also felt same and so feel, just clicked in mind so suggested

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Agreed. I think I'm with Kris in that its the tone/phrasing of some of the comment rather than the actual concern.

Again, though, the way to do this would be for there to be at least two ECs so there's a check.      

Yes, two ECs is a good idea but we still can't be sure these two people are not keeping secrets from us. I think some legislation ought to be introduced if we move to private voting to prevent that from happening, I don't think it is enough to just trust them because if something does happen, what punishment mechanism have we got in place? Without legislation, none.      

Another option EC shall have 5 members 2 election commissioners one member from CRS and the last one the Chief Justice/associate justice    

........what?
The EC is a CRS member, not a commission. This is needless bureaucracy.  

I also felt same and so feel, just clicked in mind so suggested 

What you're suggesting is just a more bloated version of something we had years ago.

We ditched it because it was a disaster to manage that accomplished nothing but cause headaches for everyone involved and force people not to run for office. It reached the point of basically begging for people to fill the commission. Two of the three bodies that made up the commission didn't even want to take part in it.

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Look — I think any more than two EC members is going to be a problem. But, if we have two members doing what the EC doesn't now — basically a check and verify — then I think that's about the best we're going to get. We could *possibly* get a third (or create someone to weigh in in case the commissioners deadlock),  but we wouldn't want more than that.

The way that we've been doing elections is probably the safest setup. If there's ever a question, we could always verify with the voters.

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