I've been posting WA resolution summaries on the RMB for every resolution since March (excluding ones during my exams) to attempt to generate some kind of formal interest in the WA. While some discussions have come about as a result of my posts, we haven't really seen much more than that.

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I think that's a great start but we know the RMB moves very quickly and we miss a lot of it. More TGs perhaps. We used to have someone who helped people draft proposals, having people create mock ones for TSP that are more or less serious might help as well. At the end of the day it's creating avenues for people to be engaged in ways they like so if there isn't engagement and several things have been tried then one can move on (or come back later and try other things).

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I’ve always been resistant to this idea, as I feel that the WA rightly comes understand the purview of the Delegate - who after all controls the block vote.

In this specific case though I have another concern; iif a WA advisor hasn’t been able (or willing) to generate more interest in this area, why would a Minister have any more luck? I’ve always argued against creating extra ministries without good reason, and I don’t see one here; if the WA advisor had created a new and growing section of our community that would be different, but I don’t see how making it into a ministry does this - a change of advisor would make more sense to me.

If and when we have interest in the WA in TSP we should consider this step, but not currently. You don’t create a ministry to generate a community, you create a ministry when it has a community to manage.

I assumed it would come with a change in leadership/adviser. (Honestly — and he can correct me if I'm wrong — but I thought Glen holding that title was simply a hold over from before and not really an active role.) I think creating a "ministry" here might spur people to take it more seriously, even if it is only a name change. 

That's correct, I served informally as a WA Adviser, but that title is just a holdover. I imagine I haven't been changed back to CRS because I haven't requested it, but the RO powers were the same for me anyways.

I've usually been resistant to this idea, but I'm actually kind of open to it now. Nobody has any actual evidence of what comes first -- interest in the WA that creates a ministry, or a ministry that creates interest. We've tried the former and it hasn't worked in the, oh, 5 years we've tried off and on. My thinking is that maybe without the institution of a ministry behind it, nobody really wants to do it. In the past, Delegate have basically given the job to anybody with resolution writing experience. But I don't think that's the relevant experience. A WA Ministry would work to increase our WA membership rates, increase our clout and voting power in the WA, and coordinate with the the region's foreign affairs on SC resolutions. They could run WA campaigns to defeat/promote a proposal (within stupid game rules). There's more than just somebody who's good at writing resolutions-- those people tend to be bad at the organizational aspects that we've expected.

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Honestly, I think it's worth a try as well. It's an "easy" amendment that can be easily reversed again too, if it ends up not working out. Nothing wrong with experimenting a bit.

Rough first draft:

2. The Cabinet will consist of ministers with the following portfolios: Foreign Affairs, Regional Affairs, World Assembly Affairs, and Military Affairs.

Minister of World Assembly Affairs

10. The Minister of World Assembly Affairs will be responsible for curating World Assembly related activities of members and advising the Delegate on how to best represent the Coalition's interests in the World Assembly.

(everything below is renumbered)

Should be enough for a start.

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My question is, what actual power will this minister hold, beside a cabinet vote?

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I really like this idea a lot! Joining the SWAN Knights was really my first foothold in integrating into the region. I think it is a great place for people who want to stay active on the actual game to help the region. A small ministry that is dedicated to World Assembly Affairs would be really awesome, and a place where I would personally like to get involved! Quick question: would endorsement programs like the SWAN Knights be under the purview of this Ministry, or would that be handled elsewhere?

As to the proposed draft, personally, I'd like to see the purpose of the Ministry defined a little more specifically—I think it would help the Ministry stay on track and focused. Something like this?

Minister of World Assembly Affairs

10. The Minister of World Assembly Affairs will be responsible for curating World Assembly-related activities of members, promoting World Assembly membership, providing resources to members, mentoring new nations in World Assembly engagement, and advising the Delegate on how to best represent the Coalition's interests in the World Assembly.

(everything below is renumbered)

Of course, those are just examples. Feel free to swap them out or disregard altogether! Mainly, I'd just love to see this as an option for new players like myself to get involved in!

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I like this idea. Railana had been a WA adviser for a while and then Glen.

It would be good to get the force of a Ministry behind it.

I'd spoken to both Glen and Railana about this at the start of my term. Railana particularly believed you need to build an engaged community before you could create an effective ministry. I hope that SWAN helps us with this, but sadly my own time and enthusiasm for WA proposals is limited, so I couldn't be that guy.

I'm passionate for TSPers to have access to the best options to help them enjoy their time here, so I really hope we get something like this off the ground eventually.

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With all respect to Railana, you need someone to help *build* that community, which was essentially the point of creating a WA adviser. This things don't just pop up, so to speak.

I’ve always been resistant to this idea, as I feel that the WA rightly comes understand the purview of the Delegate - who after all controls the block vote.

In this specific case though I have another concern; iif a WA advisor hasn’t been able (or willing) to generate more interest in this area, why would a Minister have any more luck? I’ve always argued against creating extra ministries without good reason, and I don’t see one here; if the WA advisor had created a new and growing section of our community that would be different, but I don’t see how making it into a ministry does this - a change of advisor would make more sense to me.

If and when we have interest in the WA in TSP we should consider this step, but not currently. You don’t create a ministry to generate a community, you create a ministry when it has a community to manage.

I apologize for the late response— been busy with schoolwork

But a minister is more amazing than a mere advisor. An advisor tells delegate what to vote in WA resolutions, a minister stacks up a WA ministry with 30+ people who love to participate in the WA. That’s a start.

(This post was last modified: 08-22-2018, 02:13 PM by Yuno.)

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I've been posting WA resolution summaries on the RMB for every resolution since March (excluding ones during my exams) to attempt to generate some kind of formal interest in the WA. While some discussions have come about as a result of my posts, we haven't really seen much more than that.

That’s great work you’re doing and you’d be an ideal deputy minister for the WA ministry, got summaries would also be in the form of dispatches/Information For Voters and be telegrammed to the full region

(This post was last modified: 08-22-2018, 02:13 PM by Yuno.)

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I’ve always been resistant to this idea, as I feel that the WA rightly comes understand the purview of the Delegate - who after all controls the block vote.

In this specific case though I have another concern; iif a WA advisor hasn’t been able (or willing) to generate more interest in this area, why would a Minister have any more luck? I’ve always argued against creating extra ministries without good reason, and I don’t see one here; if the WA advisor had created a new and growing section of our community that would be different, but I don’t see how making it into a ministry does this - a change of advisor would make more sense to me.

If and when we have interest in the WA in TSP we should consider this step, but not currently. You don’t create a ministry to generate a community, you create a ministry when it has a community to manage.

I assumed it would come with a change in leadership/adviser. (Honestly — and he can correct me if I'm wrong — but I thought Glen holding that title was simply a hold over from before and not really an active role.) I think creating a "ministry" here might spur people to take it more seriously, even if it is only a name change. 

That's correct, I served informally as a WA Adviser, but that title is just a holdover. I imagine I haven't been changed back to CRS because I haven't requested it, but the RO powers were the same for me anyways.

I've usually been resistant to this idea, but I'm actually kind of open to it now. Nobody has any actual evidence of what comes first -- interest in the WA that creates a ministry, or a ministry that creates interest. We've tried the former and it hasn't worked in the, oh, 5 years we've tried off and on. My thinking is that maybe without the institution of a ministry behind it, nobody really wants to do it. In the past, Delegate have basically given the job to anybody with resolution writing experience. But I don't think that's the relevant experience. A WA Ministry would work to increase our WA membership rates, increase our clout and voting power in the WA, and coordinate with the the region's foreign affairs on SC resolutions. They could run WA campaigns to defeat/promote a proposal (within stupid game rules). There's more than just somebody who's good at writing resolutions-- those people tend to be bad at the organizational aspects that we've expected.

100% agreed

Honestly, I think it's worth a try as well. It's an "easy" amendment that can be easily reversed again too, if it ends up not working out. Nothing wrong with experimenting a bit.

Rough first draft:

2. The Cabinet will consist of ministers with the following portfolios: Foreign Affairs, Regional Affairs, World Assembly Affairs, and Military Affairs.

Minister of World Assembly Affairs

10. The Minister of World Assembly Affairs will be responsible for curating World Assembly related activities of members and advising the Delegate on how to best represent the Coalition's interests in the World Assembly.

(everything below is renumbered)

Should be enough for a start.

Thanks for putting it into law!

I really like this idea a lot! Joining the SWAN Knights was really my first foothold in integrating into the region. I think it is a great place for people who want to stay active on the actual game to help the region. A small ministry that is dedicated to World Assembly Affairs would be really awesome, and a place where I would personally like to get involved! Quick question: would endorsement programs like the SWAN Knights be under the purview of this Ministry, or would that be handled elsewhere?

As to the proposed draft, personally, I'd like to see the purpose of the Ministry defined a little more specifically—I think it would help the Ministry stay on track and focused. Something like this?

Minister of World Assembly Affairs

10. The Minister of World Assembly Affairs will be responsible for curating World Assembly-related activities of members, promoting World Assembly membership, providing resources to members, mentoring new nations in World Assembly engagement, and advising the Delegate on how to best represent the Coalition's interests in the World Assembly.

(everything below is renumbered)

Of course, those are just examples. Feel free to swap them out or disregard altogether! Mainly, I'd just love to see this as an option for new players like myself to get involved in!

Fae, your edit of Roavin’s amendment is very detailed and useful

In my opinion there is much more to the job but those points you wrote sums it up


there’s been longer than a month of discussion so I hope this goes to vote sometime soon

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I've been posting WA resolution summaries on the RMB for every resolution since March (excluding ones during my exams) to attempt to generate some kind of formal interest in the WA. While some discussions have come about as a result of my posts, we haven't really seen much more than that.

That’s great work you’re doing and you’d be an ideal deputy minister for the WA ministry, got summaries would also be in the form of dispatches/Information For Voters and be telegrammed to the full region  

I've put past summaries in archive dispatches after voting has finished. It's worth noting that they're not particularly detailed like the TEP ones. I'm not really a WA expert, though I don't mind making these I was hoping someone better than me would be taking them on by now.

As for TGs, I'm generally wary about sending them regularly; players tend to get angry if they get more than 1 a month...

Did some LC, MoRA, CRS stuff in the past. Do a lot of World Census stuff now.

(This post was last modified: 08-22-2018, 03:25 PM by Pencil Sharpeners.)

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