Like Belschaft, I wonder what’s keeping people from getting involved in departments that exist within MoRA as is.

That's a valid point for media and integration. WA affairs, however, really doesn't have any existing structure for people to get involved in. I can do WA stuff personally, and others can decide to make WA threads on the forum, but the fact of the matter is that we simply have no existing part of our government dealing with WA matters.

An actual ministry might have s bit more continuity than the ad hoc nature of a Delegate's projects though.

This. 

So, do we think there's enough interest that we can have competitive elections for WA? If not, might it be better to codify an appointed position where the Delegate appoints someone who runs it (with Assembly approval if we like)? Which could still give it continuity without uncompetitive elections?

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I've always felt vert strongly that the WA is part of the Delegates remit. Perhaps we could make thay explicit?

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I've always felt vert strongly that the WA is part of the Delegates remit. Perhaps we could make thay explicit?

In some ways I don't disagree (especially since we can't give WA powers), but I don't think we want our delegate elections to become who has the best WA plans. That seems problematic given how much power the delegate ultimately has outside of WA stuff.

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Like Belschaft, I wonder what’s keeping people from getting involved in departments that exist within MoRA as is.

That's a valid point for media and integration. WA affairs, however, really doesn't have any existing structure for people to get involved in. I can do WA stuff personally, and others can decide to make WA threads on the forum, but the fact of the matter is that we simply have no existing part of our government dealing with WA matters.

An actual ministry might have s bit more continuity than the ad hoc nature of a Delegate's projects though.

This.   

So, do we think there's enough interest that we can have competitive elections for WA? If not, might it be better to codify an appointed position where the Delegate appoints someone who runs it (with Assembly approval if we like)? Which could still give it continuity without uncompetitive elections?  

I'd personally be okay with a delegate-appointed director of WA affairs, so long as that office could function as head of a larger structure and not simply as a single advisor.

However, that does then raises the question: if we have a WA director who heads a ministry-sized, permanent organization, and it would be nice to have someone in cabinet actually dealing with WA votes as part of their portfolio, then what's our resistance to just making the director a minister and getting on with it? Is it really that problematic to potentially run an uncontested election?

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Like Belschaft, I wonder what’s keeping people from getting involved in departments that exist within MoRA as is.

That's a valid point for media and integration. WA affairs, however, really doesn't have any existing structure for people to get involved in. I can do WA stuff personally, and others can decide to make WA threads on the forum, but the fact of the matter is that we simply have no existing part of our government dealing with WA matters.

An actual ministry might have s bit more continuity than the ad hoc nature of a Delegate's projects though.

This.   

So, do we think there's enough interest that we can have competitive elections for WA? If not, might it be better to codify an appointed position where the Delegate appoints someone who runs it (with Assembly approval if we like)? Which could still give it continuity without uncompetitive elections?  

I'd personally be okay with a delegate-appointed director of WA affairs, so long as that office could function as head of a larger structure and not simply as a single advisor.

However, that does then raises the question: if we have a WA director who heads a ministry-sized, permanent organization, and it would be nice to have someone in cabinet actually dealing with WA votes as part of their portfolio, then what's our resistance to just making the director a minister and getting on with it? Is it really that problematic to potentially run an uncontested election?

The answer is that I don’t believe there is either the demand or the personnel for such an organisation. If someone wants to put their hand up and commit to building a WA focussed community in TSP over the six to eight months then that’s one thing, but I’m pretty sure that isn’t going to happen.

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On the point of competitive elections: MoMA has not had competitive elections in a couple of cycles. I don't think the fact elections won't be contested is a reason not to set up a Ministry so in the future we will have a more competitive election later down the line. As time goes on, I would not be surprised if we end up having a NatSov and IntFed candidate run every cycle MoWA.

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On the point of competitive elections: MoMA has not had competitive elections in a couple of cycles. I don't think the fact elections won't be contested is a reason not to set up a Ministry so in the future we will have a more competitive election later down the line. As time goes on, I would not be surprised if we end up having a NatSov and IntFed candidate run every cycle MoWA.

Might make political parties relevant again.

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On the point of competitive elections: MoMA has not had competitive elections in a couple of cycles. I don't think the fact elections won't be contested is a reason not to set up a Ministry so in the future we will have a more competitive election later down the line. As time goes on, I would not be surprised if we end up having a NatSov and IntFed candidate run every cycle MoWA.

Might make political parties relevant again. 

Don't tempt me, Jay. I'll say this, we could have a very spirited debate on real-life foreign affairs at least once every cycle, one I'm sure could make elections a lot more exciting.

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My question to those who assert that all regional activity should occur within the MoRA is why? Why do we meet an umbrella organisation when these ministries could exist on their own? If other comparable regions can do so then I believe we can as well.

I strongly believe that the MoRA is just simply too big. FA and MA are relatively tiny ministries with a small staff and yet we have RA with what is essentially a gargantuan portfolio.

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The question isn't "if others can, why can't we?". It's "even if other do, should we still?".

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