So, for a split.

If we split it let's not do like a half split as proposed above. That is unneccessary bureocracy we don't need.

I could be in favor of an events+media and integration split as was proposed before, if we decide to split. And I can see a strong argument in reducing ministry portfolio to groups that are sensible, and increasing region-focused representation in the cabinet.

But the kind of "half-split" proposed above really just seems unneccesary.

Yeah, I'm not really fond of the half-split either. I just put it out there because it's an option that hasn't been proposed yet.

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I would prefer to have Deputies get elected by the fellows in that department

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I would prefer to have Deputies get elected by the fellows in that department

I think the minister should be able to appoint a deputy/deputies as they see fit, I'm not entirely too sure how I feel about adding more bureocracy and layers to the MoRA, especially since what Seraph has been doing is getting rid of that excess that the MoRA has had in recent days and flattening out the structure, which is a trend that I believe has been working.

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I would prefer to have Deputies get elected by the fellows in that department

I think the minister should be able to appoint a deputy/deputies as they see fit, I'm not entirely too sure how I feel about adding more bureocracy and layers to the MoRA, especially since what Seraph has been doing is getting rid of that excess that the MoRA has had in recent days and flattening out the structure, which is a trend that I believe has been working.

Point of fact, rather than weighing in on the debate, but I have had to appoint two deputies so the flat structure is slowly dissolving. I'm also a bit burnt-out. Take from that what you will.

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The main split I would probably advocate for is removing Media from MoRA and making it its own Ministry.

In regards to Deputies, they're good for managing work, but I don't necessarily think they should be appointed by the MoRA. If the Minister sees them fit, or just the only person who seemed worthy out of the ones that applied, or just the only one that applied, then we shouldn't judge the action. After all, the MoRA would have been elected meaning that we have some confidence in their ability to perform the work.

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The main split I would probably advocate for is removing Media from MoRA and making it its own Ministry.

In regards to Deputies, they're good for managing work, but I don't necessarily think they should be appointed by the MoRA. If the Minister sees them fit, or just the only person who seemed worthy out of the ones that applied, or just the only one that applied, then we shouldn't judge the action. After all, the MoRA would have been elected meaning that we have some confidence in their ability to perform the work.

I feel Media should be under MORA, but the cabinet may appoint the deputies for all departments. Like many rejected my idea of elected deputies then I feel the MORA's Minister shall get applications for deputy position of respective department from various Fellows/Senior Fellows. He shall present all the applications to cabinet and show his suggested deputies and by majority the cabinet shall appoint the respective deputies for that term.

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The main split I would probably advocate for is removing Media from MoRA and making it its own Ministry.

In regards to Deputies, they're good for managing work, but I don't necessarily think they should be appointed by the MoRA. If the Minister sees them fit, or just the only person who seemed worthy out of the ones that applied, or just the only one that applied, then we shouldn't judge the action. After all, the MoRA would have been elected meaning that we have some confidence in their ability to perform the work.

I feel Media should be under MORA, but the cabinet may appoint the deputies for all departments. Like many rejected my idea of elected deputies then I feel the MORA's Minister shall get applications for deputy position of respective department from various Fellows/Senior Fellows. He shall present all the applications to cabinet and show his suggested deputies and by majority the cabinet shall appoint the respective deputies for that term.

I highly doubt the Cabinet would care about something that would happen in a singular Ministry with no effect to them. If the Assembly elected the MoRA, then they trust the MoRA to handle simple tasks such as electing a couple of deputies.

Also, I still stand by the idea that Media should be it's own Ministry. The reason being is that trying to have regular editions and issues of articles and creating interregional events and managing fellows can lead to burnout. If it was it's own thing, it would leaded by one person whose sole purpose it to churn out TSJs, and not also balance a few other stressful things at the same time.

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The main split I would probably advocate for is removing Media from MoRA and making it its own Ministry.

In regards to Deputies, they're good for managing work, but I don't necessarily think they should be appointed by the MoRA. If the Minister sees them fit, or just the only person who seemed worthy out of the ones that applied, or just the only one that applied, then we shouldn't judge the action. After all, the MoRA would have been elected meaning that we have some confidence in their ability to perform the work.

I feel Media should be under MORA, but the cabinet may appoint the deputies for all departments. Like many rejected my idea of elected deputies then I feel the MORA's Minister shall get applications for deputy position of respective department from various Fellows/Senior Fellows. He shall present all the applications to cabinet and show his suggested deputies and by majority the cabinet shall appoint the respective deputies for that term. 

I highly doubt the Cabinet would care about something that would happen in a singular Ministry with no effect to them. If the Assembly elected the MoRA, then they trust the MoRA to handle simple tasks such as electing a couple of deputies.

Also, I still stand by the idea that Media should be it's own Ministry. The reason being is that trying to have regular editions and issues of articles and creating interregional events and managing fellows can lead to burnout. If it was it's own thing, it would leaded by one person whose sole purpose it to churn out TSJs, and not also balance a few other stressful things at the same time. 

I also feel the same, but it should be within MORA like said appoint a deputy minister. I don't think we need seperate ministry

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The main split I would probably advocate for is removing Media from MoRA and making it its own Ministry.

In regards to Deputies, they're good for managing work, but I don't necessarily think they should be appointed by the MoRA. If the Minister sees them fit, or just the only person who seemed worthy out of the ones that applied, or just the only one that applied, then we shouldn't judge the action. After all, the MoRA would have been elected meaning that we have some confidence in their ability to perform the work.

I feel Media should be under MORA, but the cabinet may appoint the deputies for all departments. Like many rejected my idea of elected deputies then I feel the MORA's Minister shall get applications for deputy position of respective department from various Fellows/Senior Fellows. He shall present all the applications to cabinet and show his suggested deputies and by majority the cabinet shall appoint the respective deputies for that term.

I highly doubt the Cabinet would care about something that would happen in a singular Ministry with no effect to them. If the Assembly elected the MoRA, then they trust the MoRA to handle simple tasks such as electing a couple of deputies.

Also, I still stand by the idea that Media should be it's own Ministry. The reason being is that trying to have regular editions and issues of articles and creating interregional events and managing fellows can lead to burnout. If it was it's own thing, it would leaded by one person whose sole purpose it to churn out TSJs, and not also balance a few other stressful things at the same time.

Yeah. Maybe that split that Jay proposed like last year would be a good idea after all. Or, maybe a wild idea: we could reasonably just make the ministry a Ministry of Cultural Affairs, Ministry of Journalism Affairs, and a Department of integration? Where Cultural Affairs handles events and other cultural activities, Journalism handles TSJ, and then the department of integration handles like recruitment, education, etc? (As far as naming, we could also change the Military Affairs namr to "Defense Affairs" and do Media Affairs instead. But that's a superficial thing that can be discussed if we do decide to split the RA in a way where media is split from RA)

We could also perhaps even have Integration and OWL just be full on ministries too (Cabinet rep would then be 3 internal and 3 external, keeping both departments would be 2 internal and 2 external)

The full mandate would then me

MoFA: Handles our relations with other regions
MoMA: Handles SPSF and military affairs
MoCA: Handles regional events and promotes TSP culture
MoJA: Handles the Southern Journal and any other media projects the ministry decides to pursue
OWL/MoWA: Handles things related to World Assembly voting and advises on how to vote
<Integration department/ministry>: Handles recruitment for ministries and educating about this game

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This doesn't touch on the merits nature of the split, so I think I can say this: every ministry does not need to have 'Affairs' in the name. Stretching it across however many more ministries we potentially might create (and I'm thinking in general, rather than specifically just this split topic - we might create a WA ministry, someone might suggest a ministry of llamas, etc.) does nothing but create ministries with silly names. Drop 'affairs'. Give ministries appropriate, natural and, dare I suggest, obvious names.

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Yahweo usenneo ir varleo, ihraneo jurlaweo hraseu seu, ir jiweveo arladi.

Salma 145:8

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The LORD is gracious and compassionate, slow to anger and rich in love.
Psalm 145: 8

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