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Bzerneleg · 07-08-2018, 11:31 PM

I have agreed to withdraw my amendment and will give my full support to Rebeltopia's amendment, knowing that it is a simple way to close the loophole.

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The Sakhalinsk Empire · 07-09-2018, 06:35 AM

To resolve this, I would like to propose this amendment - a flavourful blend of @Rebeltopia and @palaisbellevuebz's proposals.

Quote:7. Separation of Powers

(1) Offices of the Coalition are the Delegate, the Prime Minister and Cabinet Ministers, the Chair of the Assembly, Local Councillors, the Permanent Justice Chief Justice, and any of their appointed deputies.

(2) It is not permitted for any individual to hold more than one office within the Coalition's government Office of the Coalition.

(3) It is not permitted to run for an office while also running for another, or during an election for which one is currently a candidate.

(3) (4) It is permitted to seek election or appointment to new office while holding an existing office.

(4) (5) Election or appointment to a new office constitutes explicit resignation of an existing office.

(5) No person holding a Cabinet office or the office of the Delegate may hold any equivalent office in a foreign region or organisation.

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**Rebeltopia** · 07-09-2018, 08:03 AM

You lose me when you strike clause 5.

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The Sakhalinsk Empire · 07-09-2018, 08:20 AM

(07-09-2018, 08:03 AM)Rebeltopia Wrote: You lose me when you strike clause 5.

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@Roavin had suggested this before...

(07-06-2018, 06:28 AM)Roavin Wrote: I like the principle of Rebel's suggestion, though I think it can probably be worded simpler to simply state that it's not allowed to simultaneously run for multiple offices.

On Bzern's draft, let me address the changes in order:

On (1): Associate Justices are not firewalled by design, and therefore shouldn't be listed here.
On (2): Not sure why the change of wording is needed, and I actually prefer the old version!
On (3): Disagreed for the reasons others have expressed previously (though I do like your wording in principle)
On (4): See (3)
On (5): Disagreed for the reasons others have expressed previously

Regarding (5), what we could do is reconsider "equivalent". It was meant to be deliberately soft, though it's unenforcable (and in fact the Court, under then-PJ Farengeto, ruled questions on it non-justiciable). My preferred solution to this would be to remove that restriction entirely and make truthful CoI declarations that must be part of a candidate's campaign thread mandatory instead.

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**Rebeltopia** · 07-09-2018, 08:52 AM

If that's the case, then I'd like to see the CoI part brought up as well (not necessarily part of this revision). I think putting the CoI with the campaign is a great idea on its own.

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The Sakhalinsk Empire · 07-10-2018, 08:46 AM

(07-09-2018, 08:52 AM)Rebeltopia Wrote: If that's the case, then I'd like to see the CoI part brought up as well (not necessarily part of this revision). I think putting the CoI with the campaign is a great idea on its own.

Hopefully, adding that to Section 7 fixes this. It would be awkward to place that in other Sections, especially since there are no explicit sections detailing campaigns (only the campaign period), but it would be much better if it were possible.

Quote:7. Separation of Powers

(1) Offices of the Coalition are the Delegate, the Prime Minister and Cabinet Ministers, the Chair of the Assembly, Local Councillors, the Permanent JusticeChief Justice, and any of their appointed deputies.

(2) It is not permitted for any individual to hold more than one office within the Coalition's governmentOffice of the Coalition.

(3) It is not permitted to run for an office while also running for another, or during an election for which one is currently a candidate.

(3) (4) It is permitted to seek election or appointment to new office while holding an existing office.

(4) (5) Election or appointment to a new office constitutes explicit resignation of an existing office.

(6) All campaigns during elections require to have a Conflict of Interest of the running candidate's former aliases and governmental positions.

(5) No person holding a Cabinet office or the office of the Delegate may hold any equivalent office in a foreign region or organisation.

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**Rebeltopia** · 07-10-2018, 10:10 AM

We could add it to election law. I might have the time to look it up/propose something later today...

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